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BabbaGanoush
05-08-2013, 09:52 AM
I have been really impressed with Lind so far this season. His approach at the plate this season is 10x better than the approach he had for the past 3-4 years. Lind has earned the right to face lefties in Gibbons mind. Gibbons could have easily pulled him in the seventh inning yesterday for Davis but he stuck with him and Lind delivered. So, does that mean that Lind has earned the right to start vs a lefty? In my opinion, one start wont kill the Jays. If Lind struggles vs Moore, you always have a decent option in Davis waiting to pinch hit. I think that Lind has earned it.

Metallijay
05-08-2013, 09:57 AM
He had been showing signs he is improving, we need him is this team wants to make a run. If he can regain his 2009 form this offense will be scary.

BabbaGanoush
05-08-2013, 10:01 AM
Exactly. The only way you will find out if Lind is truly back to 09 form is if you give him atleast someatbats vs lefties.

GD
05-08-2013, 10:09 AM
Even in 2009, he wasn't great vs LHP.

sachmo55
05-08-2013, 10:17 AM
I have been really impressed with Lind so far this season. His approach at the plate this season is 10x better than the approach he had for the past 3-4 years. Lind has earned the right to face lefties in Gibbons mind. Gibbons could have easily pulled him in the seventh inning yesterday for Davis but he stuck with him and Lind delivered. So, does that mean that Lind has earned the right to start vs a lefty? In my opinion, one start wont kill the Jays. If Lind struggles vs Moore, you always have a decent option in Davis waiting to pinch hit. I think that Lind has earned it.

The 19.8% HR/FB rate that Lind put up in 2009 was probably an abberation, but if he can get it into the 13% range he normally seems to put up, he could put up a fairly productive season given the improved approach.

GD
05-08-2013, 10:47 AM
Lind's career vs. L: .221/.265/.345
Lind's career vs. R: .280/.337/.497

He's not going to improve vs. lefties, it's who he is. Gibby's been rigorous with his platoon so far, let's hope that continues.

Holy crap, that's bad. I had no idea he sucked so much.

CHRIS
05-08-2013, 10:49 AM
A productive Lind is a big help to this lineup, as starter against righties and as a viable pinch hitter late in the game when a lefty starts.

G-Snarls
05-08-2013, 11:17 AM
The 19.8% HR/FB rate that Lind put up in 2009 was probably an abberation, but if he can get it into the 13% range he normally seems to put up, he could put up a fairly productive season given the improved approach.

Better yet, I think he's been running off on everybody too. Fewer guys swinging for the fences on the first few pitches and more patience/selectivity overall. Good things can come of that.

connorp
05-08-2013, 11:22 AM
Lind's career vs. L: .221/.265/.345
Lind's career vs. R: .280/.337/.497

He's not going to improve vs. lefties, it's who he is. Gibby's been rigorous with his platoon so far, let's hope that continues.

God that's putrid. I wouldn't have guessed a barely over .600 OPS

Metallijay
05-08-2013, 11:28 AM
Lind is a bench player on a normal team. Can't hit lefties to save life. OBP will regress. No power. Trade at highest possible value, however, no team wants him. Adam Lind cannot be your DH or 1B in the AL East if you are serious about winning.

AA needs to get rid of him ASAP.

You don't hit 30 + homeruns at this level and not have power, he has power he just has not hit well enough to to take advantage of his power.

Dude
05-08-2013, 11:42 AM
Lind's a flawed player, but as long as the club has another guy who can crush lefties to pair with him he's very useful.

The A's won the AL West last year playing a bunch of guys like Lind.

Rajai "Ruth" Davis

Metallijay
05-08-2013, 11:43 AM
Adam Lind hit 11 homers last year. He hasn't hit 30+ homeruns since 2009. No power.

Adam Lind has had 1 good full professional season. Can't rely on him. AL EAST!

His OBP will regress. It's Lind.

Get rid ASAP.

You can't have a guy in the AL EAST with an OPS in the 700's playing DH or 1B. YOU WILL NOT WIN. PERIOD.

Im not saying I like Lind, but you dont hit 30 + hr in the majors with no power, the issue is he has not been making enough good contact since to utilize his power, but I agree he cannot be relied on at this pojnt.

dineke
05-08-2013, 11:45 AM
Adam Lind's kinda been awesome this year. No complaints.

Dude
05-08-2013, 11:50 AM
Adam Lind's kinda been awesome this year. No complaints.

Don't know if that makes me happy for lind or sad for the rest of the team. Either way I agree, his eye has been much better at the plate, cautiously optimistic about him.

G-Snarls
05-08-2013, 11:55 AM
The A's won the AL West last year playing a bunch of guys like Lind.

Yeah but Melvin >> Gibby in terms of platoon management

Bluejays0988
05-08-2013, 12:05 PM
Lind has been good so far this year, although he only has 1 homer his approach has been so much better, I find here that people just want things to complain about. I agree in the years since 2009 he has been horrible at times, but now if he is playing well then praise him for that and stop referring to the past.

dineke
05-08-2013, 12:07 PM
Lind has been good so far this year, although he only has 1 homer his approach has been so much better, I find here that people just want things to complain about. I agree in the years since 2009 he has been horrible at times, but now if he is playing well then praise him for that and stop referring to the past.

He's always been good against righties. He's just been miscast as an everyday player the last few years.

Bluejays0988
05-08-2013, 12:13 PM
He's always been good against righties. He's just been miscast as an everyday player the last few years.

haha I suppose you're right, maybe Im just fired up about the 2b off the lefty last night. Not thinking clearly.

HERPDERP
05-08-2013, 12:14 PM
Lind playing well means no Morneau for the Jays at the deadline.

Then again, even if he was stinking it up, we wouldn't make a trade since we'd be out of it.

TheHurl
05-08-2013, 12:16 PM
He's still the guy that started the year .138/.212/.207 through the first 11 games. I'm not sold he's turned the corner. I really would hope that he's realized that he needs to be patient to be effective though.

o2cui2i
05-08-2013, 12:29 PM
He's still the guy that started the year .138/.212/.207 through the first 11 games. I'm not sold he's turned the corner. I really would hope that he's realized that he needs to be patient to be effective though.

I think the Rajai/Lind platoon is a good thing. between the 2 off them they make 1 good ball player. too bad they take up 2 roster spots.

Boni has to be sacrificed to the baseball gods. he's the worst player on the team and yet he's a legend in his own lunch time.

blanco next on the list.

DeRosa hasn't been that bad. as long as his appearances are limited, he's an ok bench option for now. at least DeRosa is not an error machine that cant hit like Boni.

Metallijay
05-08-2013, 12:31 PM
Lind is showing signs he's going to hit well, he has been walking and getting hits lately, he has the talent to be a very good hitter.

Bluejays0988
05-08-2013, 12:49 PM
Lind is showing signs he's going to hit well, he has been walking and getting hits lately, he has the talent to be a very good hitter.

Love your optimism but lets see what he does over a long stretch, I would love nothing more then to see him hit the ball well as I am sure everyone else would as well. Makes the lineup look a lot more dangerous when he is swinging a hot bat.

KSaw
05-09-2013, 07:26 AM
Lind's career vs. L: .221/.265/.345
Lind's career vs. R: .280/.337/.497

He's not going to improve vs. lefties, it's who he is. Gibby's been rigorous with his platoon so far, let's hope that continues.

His numbers v lefty starters aren't terrible. Loogys have owned Lind his whole career.

GD
05-09-2013, 07:36 AM
His numbers v lefty starters aren't terrible. Loogys have owned Lind his whole career.

Do you actually have stats to back up the narrative?

KSaw
05-09-2013, 07:43 AM
Posted several times in old forum. Give me a minute...

GD
05-09-2013, 07:50 AM
Posted several times in old forum. Give me a minute...

Lol I'd go look but I got banned.

I remember I posted some seasonal stats inning-by-inning for you, but there was no clear vs LHPSP or vs LHPRP

KSaw
05-09-2013, 07:53 AM
.251/.301 with 17 of his 18 career HR v left handers against starters. His numbers v lefty relievers are atrocious.

KSaw
05-09-2013, 07:55 AM
He actually has only 5 career hits v lefty relievers.

GD
05-09-2013, 07:55 AM
.251/.301 with 17 of his 18 career HR v left handers against starters. His numbers v lefty relievers are atrocious.

A .301 OBP isn't exactly fine. That's pretty turrible.

KSaw
05-09-2013, 07:58 AM
No but it's not God awful. At least he gets some hits and carries an OBP around .300.

KSaw
05-09-2013, 08:00 AM
When you look at .221/.265 overall, clearly the key is don't let him face loogys. The overall numbers v just relievers has his OBP around .200

KSaw
05-09-2013, 08:03 AM
Something to note, based on career numbers Adam Lind is one of the top pinch hitters of active MLB players. Look up his splits and go to pinch hit stats.

saskjayfan
05-09-2013, 10:05 AM
Lind couldn't hit lefties because he always swung at soft off speed away out of the strike zone. I don't know what clicked with Lind this year, but he's seeing the ball so much better. He's showing patience I've never seen before. He's only had 2 at bats against lefties this year and he got a double. The problem with judging Lind is he's in and out of the lineup sometimes missing 3 games in a row...it's tough to keep your production up when you're not getting regular work and getting into a groove. I would like to see Lind get a steady diet of playing time and let him hit against lefties for a few weeks.

ScottGer76
05-09-2013, 02:32 PM
I need to see more of him before I am impressed. If it was up to me he wouldn't be a Jay any longer.