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Arkadium
05-28-2013, 08:49 PM
Discussion welcome. Also, any honourable mentions / anyone I missed (poll only allows for 10 though)?

Call me crazy I voted Rasmus.

Arkadium
05-28-2013, 08:54 PM
I had Bryce on there but then took him off.

NJH
05-28-2013, 08:55 PM
Gattis, children. Gattis.

dineke
05-28-2013, 08:57 PM
Where the fuck is Stanton?

Arkadium
05-28-2013, 08:59 PM
If you want to vote for someone else just do a write-in... clearly I missed Stanton.

Angrioter
05-28-2013, 09:14 PM
Stanton, Adam Dunn, Harper, Chris Carter

Dr. Dinger
05-28-2013, 09:19 PM
Dammit... I only came in here to sarcastically vote Evan Gattis. Since he's on the poll, I'll just leave in shame now.

Dr. Dinger
05-28-2013, 09:20 PM
Chris Carter for sure is in the discussion.

Arkadium
05-28-2013, 09:25 PM
Dammit... I only came in here to sarcastically vote Evan Gattis. Since he's on the poll, I'll just leave in shame now.

The guy half swings at balls and it leaves the ball park... I'm pretty sure that's raw power

Stangstag
05-28-2013, 09:51 PM
Anyone see Trumbo at the HR derby last year? Now that is a kid with serious power.

Nox
05-28-2013, 10:07 PM
Lol @ this poll with no Stanton or Harper.

Maybe the only 2 true 80 power tools in the league.

Nox
05-28-2013, 10:15 PM
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Obvious answer is #top10catcher

Yup.

Hurl, close the poll.

Boxcar
05-28-2013, 10:59 PM
I came here to vote for Stanton or Harper, but I guess I'll just troll this vote with Evan Gattis.

Arkadium
05-28-2013, 11:01 PM
No Stanton/Miggy/Bautista?

Obvious answer is #top10catcher

I wouldn't put Miggy or Bautista on raw power list...

Deadpool
05-28-2013, 11:08 PM
Matt Stairs.

Nox
05-28-2013, 11:14 PM
I wouldn't put Miggy or Bautista on raw power list...

If you don't think those two have plus plus raw power, I don't know what to tell you.

GD
05-28-2013, 11:15 PM
Matt Stairs.

I'm pretty sure he's hit balls into the 5th deck off of a tee.

Deadpool
05-28-2013, 11:21 PM
I'm pretty sure he's hit balls into the 5th deck off of a tee.

It was funny, but it wasn't really a joke. That man could hit balls a LONG way.

GD
05-28-2013, 11:25 PM
It was funny, but it wasn't really a joke. That man could hit balls a LONG way.

He just couldn't do much else. I remember in 2009, I was at a game and I was in LF, it was the game Aaron Hill broke some club HR record for 2Bs, and Stairs hit a line drive right at the LF. The LF dropped it and Stairs ran towards second and he was thrown out by a solid 4 seconds.

Dylan
05-28-2013, 11:29 PM
This is a pretty tough poll, really hard to tell. I'm going with Yoenis Cespedes, dude has some major power when he connects. Going to see some massive bombs from him for many years to come.

NJH
05-28-2013, 11:34 PM
Miguel Cabrera's raw is pretty underrated.

The fat dude regularly hits low line drives for right CF dingers. With identical contact, most other power guys can barely split the gap for two bases.

If he had an all or nothing approach, he would probably hit them as far as anybody.

Nox
05-28-2013, 11:36 PM
Miguel Cabrera's raw is pretty underrated.

The fat dude regularly hits low line drives for right CF dingers. With identical contact, most other power guys can barely split the gap for two bases.

If he had an all or nothing approach, he would probably hit them as far as anybody.

Exactly

Arkadium
05-28-2013, 11:46 PM
If you don't think those two have plus plus raw power, I don't know what to tell you.

Not sure if serious or trolling? Bautista has a lot of bat speed, most of his homeruns barely make it out... Miggy maybe, but he reminds me of a baby, I don't attribute raw power to a baby.

NJH
05-28-2013, 11:49 PM
Not sure if serious or trolling? Bautista has a lot of bat speed, most of his homeruns barely make it out... Miggy maybe, but he reminds me of a baby, I don't attribute raw power to a baby.

lmao

Nox
05-28-2013, 11:53 PM
Bautista has a lot of bat speed, most of his homeruns barely make it out

2010/2011 No doubt HRs: Bautista - 38
Next closest: A bunch of guys at 21-22

Don't lie to me.

http://www.hittrackeronline.com/

(can't link to the specific queries)

admin
05-28-2013, 11:59 PM
2010/2011 No doubt HRs: Bautista - 38
Next closest: A bunch of guys at 21-22

Don't lie to me.

http://www.hittrackeronline.com/

(can't link to the specific queries)

I'm not looking up the numbers right now but if I recall, he did have a lot of barely made its. But when you lead the league in HRs, there's a good chance it will happen.
We need to define "raw".
- Guy with ugly swing that tries to kill it?
- Guy who crushes it?
- Guy who can crush it, but hasn't put it together?
- etc

Chris Davis immediately came to mind for me.
Guy who could just crush it last few years, but couldn't hit the breaking ball (think that was it).
The power's there, he just didn't figure things out.

Then I look at a guy like Prince Fielder. Just a big beast. That can be another definition of 'raw' power.

NJH
05-29-2013, 12:12 AM
Raw power is basically just how far the baseball goes when you square it up perfectly. Some people generate it with bat speed and backspin. Others generate it Wily Mo style, with biceps and little else.

As opposed to game power, which you could define by in season ISO or HR rate/count.

Nox
05-29-2013, 12:12 AM
To me "Raw" is, generally speaking, the ability to hit the ball a long way regularly. While not a perfect proxy, No Doubters isn't bad either.

Nox
05-29-2013, 12:17 AM
I don't think a scout would slap more than a 60 on Bautista.

I can assure you this isn't true.

Nox
05-29-2013, 12:28 AM
But would you have said this back in 2009? His tool hasn't changed, his approach has.


It absolutely has changed. His swing change increased his batspeed and changed his swing path, 2 things that can definitely lead to more max distance.

Fly ball distance is basically determined by (in terms of what the hitter controls): Speed of bat, weight of bat, backspin, launch angle and to a smaller extent wrist strength (the less give on the bat on contact with the ball the better). A swing change directly effects 3 of these (speed of bat, backspin and launch angle).

TheHurl
05-29-2013, 12:40 AM
If you asked me who averages the greatest distance on their HR's I would have immediately said Cruz or Napoli. While Napoli is in third and Cruz 17th, I'm shocked to see J Upton leading the way, with Trout in second. 3 Jays average over 400 ft per HR and 2 more are at 395 (Minimum 5 HR's)

fatcowxlive
05-29-2013, 12:44 AM
Where are the votes for EE? This is raw power, why are people suggesting Bautista?

NJH
05-29-2013, 12:54 AM
Sometimes I think of tools as being inherent, but perhaps that isn't always true. I'd be very interested in hearing what a scout/talent evaluator has to say on the matter.

You've probably already given the subject more thought than 99% of scouts/ "evaluators". Moot opinions.

Fearthedoc
05-29-2013, 01:23 AM
Dammit... I only came in here to sarcastically vote Evan Gattis. Since he's on the poll, I'll just leave in shame now.

Not sure if the OP ingeniously anticipated your clever ruse, or went derp on the poll options.

Dick_Pole
05-29-2013, 01:34 AM
Out of the people listed, Chris Davis.

Jacob Brumfield allegedly could bench press between 500 to 600 pounds, so if we're talking about raw power outside the context of hitting he'd be up there.

o2cui2i
05-29-2013, 05:36 AM
Lol @ this poll with no Stanton or Harper.

Maybe the only 2 true 80 power tools in the league.

right now all Stanton has is Raw DL chafing. he's not officially IN baseball right now.

fatcowxlive
05-29-2013, 10:23 AM
right now all Stanton has is Raw DL chafing. he's not officially IN baseball right now.

He is officially in baseball.... He's just not activated yet lol

Metallijay
05-29-2013, 02:50 PM
Not sure if serious or trolling? Bautista has a lot of bat speed, most of his homeruns barely make it out... Miggy maybe, but he reminds me of a baby, I don't attribute raw power to a baby.

So much fail here, when you hit as many as JB yes he has some that are not out by far but he has a lot of bombs as well, do you even watch the jays ? lol.

Boxcar
05-29-2013, 03:41 PM
He just couldn't do much else. I remember in 2009, I was at a game and I was in LF, it was the game Aaron Hill broke some club HR record for 2Bs, and Stairs hit a line drive right at the LF. The LF dropped it and Stairs ran towards second and he was thrown out by a solid 4 seconds.

Matt Stairs was a really good player who never got the playing time he deserved for some reason.

NJH
05-29-2013, 04:13 PM
Matt Stairs was a really good player who never got the playing time he deserved for some reason.

I'd say that he got exactly what he deserved, maybe more. The guy averaged like 1 win per 150 games played. He was lucky to get the consistent part time role that he had for nearly his whole career.

HERPDERP
05-29-2013, 04:27 PM
Just cause you hit a lot of homers doesn't mean you have the biggest raw power.

Bautista would be at the bottom of the list

Rasmus would be high on my list

Nox
05-29-2013, 04:50 PM
Bautista would be at the bottom of the list
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Retarded

wilko
05-30-2013, 12:04 PM
Nelson Cruz? WTF!

Dylan
07-15-2013, 10:55 PM
This is a pretty tough poll, really hard to tell. I'm going with Yoenis Cespedes, dude has some major power when he connects. Going to see some massive bombs from him for many years to come.

Easily wins the hr derby.. Easy power!

Arkadium
07-15-2013, 11:14 PM
Easily wins the hr derby.. Easy power!

Colby makes it look easier!