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    Quote Originally Posted by Abomination View Post
    I haven't gone through all the stuff (because I'm frankly fed up with most of the news bs right now from all sides), but even if the article was well thought out and written, etc, what was the point of writing and circulating it? I mean, you're doing so in a sector actively trying to get more woman to enter it. Why inflame things? If someone came out tomorrow with a well written scientific report that suggested whites were superior to blacks, what do you think the effect would be (heck, even if somehow it was actually true, do you think it would in any way make things better for people? Would it invalidate one candidate for a position over another, regardless of expertise, etc?). I just don't understand the logic in writing and circulating something that you know would be perceived very badly, cause issues in the workplace, probably get leaked to the media, etc.
    Exactly my point. The guy was just asking to be fired.

    And even if one could prove these differences, all it means is any random X is 1.2% (or some other negligible amount) more likely than any random Y to be (whatever)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abomination View Post
    I haven't gone through all the stuff (because I'm frankly fed up with most of the news bs right now from all sides), but even if the article was well thought out and written, etc, what was the point of writing and circulating it? I mean, you're doing so in a sector actively trying to get more woman to enter it. Why inflame things? If someone came out tomorrow with a well written scientific report that suggested whites were superior to blacks, what do you think the effect would be (heck, even if somehow it was actually true, do you think it would in any way make things better for people? Would it invalidate one candidate for a position over another, regardless of expertise, etc?). I just don't understand the logic in writing and circulating something that you know would be perceived very badly, cause issues in the workplace, probably get leaked to the media, etc.
    Probably because he felt that the push to get women in the field was discriminatory to better qualified males. I say better qualified, because when you're at a 70/30 split with candidates, you're definitely scraping the bottom of the barrel to hire less deserving women on the basis that they are women. He likely felt like that was bullshit and that Google should just understand that tech jobs don't appeal to women.
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    I think we all know it's the latter. The Mariners have been a disgustingly bad offensive for a decade now and nothing has changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abomination View Post
    I haven't gone through all the stuff (because I'm frankly fed up with most of the news bs right now from all sides), but even if the article was well thought out and written, etc, what was the point of writing and circulating it? I mean, you're doing so in a sector actively trying to get more woman to enter it. Why inflame things? If someone came out tomorrow with a well written scientific report that suggested whites were superior to blacks, what do you think the effect would be (heck, even if somehow it was actually true, do you think it would in any way make things better for people? Would it invalidate one candidate for a position over another, regardless of expertise, etc?). I just don't understand the logic in writing and circulating something that you know would be perceived very badly, cause issues in the workplace, probably get leaked to the media, etc.
    Google is competitive as fuck. You address a real problem they are having in an insightful way and you could land yourself a hell of a promotion. So he did what an engineer and good employee should do. He dove in to the data and tried to solve a problem. I'd be ecstatic if someone at my business tried to solve a problem that I was having. Wouldn't you? And it wasn't inflaming nor was it discouraging to women. He identified why Google has a hard time finding women to work there and why they have a hard time promoting women in to leadership positions and how Google could better address that. He also discussed how diversity in thought is just as important.

    His only problem is that he works with a bunch of cucks that can't handle anything other than hivemind groupthink. He strayed from the hive and that got him fired. Which only proved one of his points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
    Probably because he felt that the push to get women in the field was discriminatory to better qualified males. I say better qualified, because when you're at a 70/30 split with candidates, you're definitely scraping the bottom of the barrel to hire less deserving women on the basis that they are women. He likely felt like that was bullshit and that Google should just understand that tech jobs don't appeal to women.
    He could have published in anonymously in a scientific journal or something, if it actually stands up to scientific criticism. This kind of thing has been going on for a long time. When I applied for scholarships in university, something like 90% of them were either for natives, or for women in science. Getting one as a normal, white male was extremely difficult. Others essentially had their entire university paid for, with far less academic merit or financial need. That doesn't mean I had any thoughts to write a paper on it, circulate it through the university, and piss everyone off. Imo, no one ends up better off by doing something like that.

    I'm not making a statement about whether he's right in what he wrote, just questioning why he thought it was a good idea to write it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abomination View Post
    I haven't gone through all the stuff (because I'm frankly fed up with most of the news bs right now from all sides), but even if the article was well thought out and written, etc, what was the point of writing and circulating it? I mean, you're doing so in a sector actively trying to get more woman to enter it. Why inflame things? If someone came out tomorrow with a well written scientific report that suggested whites were superior to blacks, what do you think the effect would be (heck, even if somehow it was actually true, do you think it would in any way make things better for people? Would it invalidate one candidate for a position over another, regardless of expertise, etc?). I just don't understand the logic in writing and circulating something that you know would be perceived very badly, cause issues in the workplace, probably get leaked to the media, etc.
    You should read what he wrote. I think you'd retract most of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abomination View Post
    I haven't gone through all the stuff (because I'm frankly fed up with most of the news bs right now from all sides), but even if the article was well thought out and written, etc, what was the point of writing and circulating it? I mean, you're doing so in a sector actively trying to get more woman to enter it. Why inflame things? If someone came out tomorrow with a well written scientific report that suggested whites were superior to blacks, what do you think the effect would be (heck, even if somehow it was actually true, do you think it would in any way make things better for people? Would it invalidate one candidate for a position over another, regardless of expertise, etc?). I just don't understand the logic in writing and circulating something that you know would be perceived very badly, cause issues in the workplace, probably get leaked to the media, etc.
    This is on par with ranting about Jonathan Swift being a cannibal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abomination View Post
    I haven't gone through all the stuff (because I'm frankly fed up with most of the news bs right now from all sides), but even if the article was well thought out and written, etc, what was the point of writing and circulating it? I mean, you're doing so in a sector actively trying to get more woman to enter it. Why inflame things? If someone came out tomorrow with a well written scientific report that suggested whites were superior to blacks, what do you think the effect would be (heck, even if somehow it was actually true, do you think it would in any way make things better for people? Would it invalidate one candidate for a position over another, regardless of expertise, etc?). I just don't understand the logic in writing and circulating something that you know would be perceived very badly, cause issues in the workplace, probably get leaked to the media, etc.
    I too enjoy that we live in a time where thoughtful evidence based discourse is frowned upon because it rocks the ideological boats too much.

    Maybe the meta-logic is just that - to highlight how absurd the ideological institutions truly are. Succeeded in that end at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJH View Post
    I too enjoy that we live in a time where thoughtful evidence based discourse is frowned upon because it rocks the ideological boats too much.

    Maybe the meta-logic is just that - to highlight how absurd the ideological institutions truly are. Succeeded in that end at least.
    Crushed... love it.
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    Lol.. I'd be willing to bet everything i own in a race vs Bautista. I'm telling you seriously, he has no chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJH View Post
    I too enjoy that we live in a time where thoughtful evidence based discourse is frowned upon because it rocks the ideological boats too much.

    Maybe the meta-logic is just that - to highlight how absurd the ideological institutions truly are. Succeeded in that end at least.
    Again, I just think it's a very stupid thing to do in a workplace (the point I've been trying to make), and I don't understand the reason why he seems to have thought it would be wise - at least in terms of circulating it (I'm guessing) to all the employees, most of whom who have no say in the hiring process. Send it to the head of the hiring department or something, that I could understand. Publish it anonymously somewhere, sure. Maybe he wanted to leave, and this was just a way of getting his frustration over the hiring practices off his chest, along with possibly a severance package, or lawsuit, or something. I dunno.

    I want to make it very clear that I don't support institutions hiring based on anything but merit. If that means 100% men, or 100% women, etc, so be it.

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    If that means 100% men, or 100% women, etc, so be it.
    So binary. Hello? it's 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abomination View Post
    I want to make it very clear that I don't support institutions hiring based on anything but merit. If that means 100% men, or 100% women, etc, so be it.
    That would not be good business practice. An org with 100% men would have a difficult time attracting applications from women, effectively shutting itself off from a large pool of talent.

    There are business reasons for having an HR policy of a representative workforce. Since so many orgs have this policy, the math is in its favour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcanuck View Post
    That would not be good business practice. An org with 100% men would have a difficult time attracting applications from women, effectively shutting itself off from a large pool of talent.

    There are business reasons for having an HR policy of a representative workforce. Since so many orgs have this policy, the math is in its favour.
    It's like talking to a fucking brick wall.

    He clearly didn't imply that organizations should hire only one gender. IF all the best candidates happen to be one gender, the organization should not shy away from hiring those people solely for the sake of filling some kind of quota.

    If, if,if...

    You'd think some deaf piece of shit would have an innate ability to interpret words on a screen better than the average person. Kind of like how blind people have superior remaining senses because the connections in the brain reserved for sight are re-wired elsewhere. But nope, I suppose not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJH View Post
    I too enjoy that we live in a time where thoughtful evidence based discourse is frowned upon because it rocks the ideological boats too much.

    Maybe the meta-logic is just that - to highlight how absurd the ideological institutions truly are. Succeeded in that end at least.
    I posted a few articles from scientific journals (excluding most papers from gender studies/social studies journals, since they have standardization issues and inherent biases) on Twitter. Despite that, I keep reading Tweets saying that such articles don't exist (or use faulty methodology, which while sometimes true, is a common excuse used to dismiss conclusions from an article that contradicts one's own viewpoints), even though I found the opposite.

    2017 is a crazy year, I tell you.

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    That being said, any information (whether true or otherwise) that touches on sensitive subjects & enters the public sphere will be met with emotional reactions, regardless of what side is arguing for or against it. Living in an age of social media/instant communication, and a trigger-happy media that either has a clear agenda against a man/administration that calls them fake that they help perpetuate (eg. CNN, MSNBC, Vox, Salon, etc.) or supports their business (eg. Fox News, Breitbart, InfoWars, etc.), it's important to take a step back and assess a situation with nuance & skepticism.

    Also, there are major corporations in control of filtering information to the general public, which could lead to the spread of misinformation (eg. Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc.). Again, the best response is a healthy dose of skepticism.

    I think these past 2 years have made me re-assess everything about society more than ever in my life, sort of like Truman slowly finding out the truth that he is living in a TV show.

    I'm glad my interests have shifted towards statistics and music. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by gruber92 View Post
    Lol.. I'd be willing to bet everything i own in a race vs Bautista. I'm telling you seriously, he has no chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frag View Post
    I'm glad my interests have shifted towards statistics and music. :P
    No kidding. I think I've decided that I'd rather live my life ignorant and happy. Not like I can do anything about the state of the world anyway.
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    I think we all know it's the latter. The Mariners have been a disgustingly bad offensive for a decade now and nothing has changed.



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