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Thread: A Very Darrelly Dynasty League

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    I didn't know he was a ginger, that changes everything.

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    It seems like Ventura was an asset with a very high probability of providing no value and becoming essentially worthless (if he wasn't already). An accident is a freaky way for that outcome to happen but him becoming worthless is well within predictable outcomes all the same. This is not a compensation scenario IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKat View Post
    It seems like Ventura was an asset with a very high probability of providing no value and becoming essentially worthless (if he wasn't already). An accident is a freaky way for that outcome to happen but him becoming worthless is well within predictable outcomes all the same. This is not a compensation scenario IMO.
    Well, he was only 25, can hit triple digits, and put up a 3.74 and 3.60 xFIP in his age 23 and 24 seasons. It's not unreasonable to think he still had a decent chance of reaching his potential. It would be totally different if he was 30 or something imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abomination View Post
    Well, he was only 25, can hit triple digits, and put up a 3.74 and 3.60 xFIP in his age 23 and 24 seasons. It's not unreasonable to think he still had a decent chance of reaching his potential. It would be totally different if he was 30 or something imo.
    Agreed. His fantasy value during 2014-2015 was comparable to Marcus Stroman now. I think based on his age and ceiling he was objectively a keeper for some team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTS View Post
    I dunno, if Ian Kennedy was killed in a hate crime against gingers I wouldn't expect compensation, and he's better than Ventura. I always saw the compensation as a way to help people who suffer a franchise-crippling loss.
    Ian Kennedy is 32, Yordano was 25.

    Quote Originally Posted by KingKat View Post
    It seems like Ventura was an asset with a very high probability of providing no value and becoming essentially worthless (if he wasn't already). An accident is a freaky way for that outcome to happen but him becoming worthless is well within predictable outcomes all the same. This is not a compensation scenario IMO.
    If you were basing his 'worth' on last year and his projections, then he probably wasn't worth much. But that's ingoring his age, pedigree, and 2 very successful season in 14 and 15. Projections are heavily weighted to the last season (I have that right right?), so he's getting doubly penalized for 2016 if you are just using that and his projection.

    Yordano was definitely an asset. Compensation at the back end of round 1 is justified to me.

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    I only have 3 starters right now. I will be looking at the list of drop pitchers and probably offer a late pick for one that eats innings. Ventura would fit that bill. If we are talking comp I'd say a mid pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GD View Post
    If Yordano's owner had put him up for trade, what would someone have offered?
    I offered Randal Grichuk back in the summer straight up. Also, would offer a late 1st rounder easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHurl View Post
    I only have 3 starters right now. I will be looking at the list of drop pitchers and probably offer a late pick for one that eats innings. Ventura would fit that bill. If we are talking comp I'd say a mid pick.
    You wouldn't get him for a late pick. I for one would have outbid you (if I had the picks).

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    A sandwich pick in between 20 and 21 seems fair to me.

    I just think of it in terms of what I would offer for Ventura.

    Out of curioisty, what did we comp for Jose Fernandez?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fearthedoc View Post
    A sandwich pick in between 20 and 21 seems fair to me.

    I just think of it in terms of what I would offer for Ventura.

    Out of curioisty, what did we comp for Jose Fernandez?
    Any two unowned prospects (eligible or not). Hurl picked Otani and Maitan. Both don't count against his prospect cap until they play pro ball

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    Quote Originally Posted by z3r0s View Post
    You wouldn't get him for a late pick. I for one would have outbid you (if I had the picks).
    Yeah I understand that. I'm just not in a position to throw away higher picks and I have all the leverage in a trade for a player about to be dropped. Has TCA even said if he'd be keeping him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysblue View Post
    I offered Randal Grichuk back in the summer straight up. Also, would offer a late 1st rounder easily.
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    A sandwich pick in between 20 and 21 seems fair to me.

    I just think of it in terms of what I would offer for Ventura.
    two have spoken (four with Dinger and z3r0s). Personally I'd say anything between 21 and 61 and I wouldn't complain.
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    Damn that's depressing.

    20b feels on the generous side value-wise but is closer to fair than 40b imo, no complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHurl View Post
    Yeah I understand that. I'm just not in a position to throw away higher picks and I have all the leverage in a trade for a player about to be dropped. Has TCA even said if he'd be keeping him?
    Ventura was 100% a keeper for me, no way would I have moved him for a mid round pick(3rd round?). He's a 25 year old starter who can hit 100MPH. Had good showings in 2014/15, and even the 2nd half of this season. Some people seem to devalue him because he's just so unlikable and hard to root for. I'll be fine with whatever you guys decide though.
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    I feel like we've discussed this scenario before hypothetically and concluded that players with a high probability of washing out of baseball shouldn't net you compensation. At most, he should be worth something like the 5th overall waiver pick.
    "We don't have to plan for a rebuild. But all 30 teams have to stay agile, and have to understand that we're dealing with human beings, and these assets to organizations are human and change and evolve. I think what we've tried to do is become more flexible and agile, and to sustain championships is to build from within."

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    Do you seriously consider Ventura to fit that mold? A likely candidate to wash out of baseball?
    The guy with the high 90's heater who is a year removed from consecutive seasons of 3.6 FIP?
    The guy KC gave a 5 year extension to, pre-arbitration?

    Its clear you never liked the guy, but think a little more objectively about it.

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