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    Quote Originally Posted by RealAccountant View Post
    Holy shit this trade looks bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stangstag View Post
    The only reason this trade would be bad is if Tulo becomes a below-average hitter. Tulo has an additional 3 years on his contract compared to Reyes, but at least Tulo plays great defense. Reyes would have been a dumpster fire for 2016/2017.

    Castro could be a decent starter, and Hoffman has great upside, but Tulowitzki is a premium player at a premium position.
    Tulo will rebound offensively too probably. Someone pointed out the other day that Votto went through a similar post injury dry spell but now that he's closer to 100%, he looks a lot like the old Votto.
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    Considering Reyes turned out to be like $40 Million of dead money you could say we got Tulo for 5/60 for Hoffman, Tinico, and Castro in a way. Hoffman looks pretty good but I'm not confident the Rockies will even be able to the same level of value out of the pitchers that a different Org. would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKat View Post
    Tulo will rebound offensively too probably. Someone pointed out the other day that Votto went through a similar post injury dry spell but now that he's closer to 100%, he looks a lot like the old Votto.
    Votto during his post injury dry spell still had an OBP near .400. lol what a beast

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    Quote Originally Posted by dineke View Post
    Votto during his post injury dry spell still had an OBP near .400. lol what a beast
    Yeah "similar dry spell" is a stretch. I should have just said "a dry spell after a similar injury".
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKat View Post
    Tulo will rebound offensively too probably. Someone pointed out the other day that Votto went through a similar post injury dry spell but now that he's closer to 100%, he looks a lot like the old Votto.
    Yeah he hit like 5 home runs in half a season and had a sub .800 OPS. Also the leg injuries seemed chronic. That was the point that I bought him in the DDL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysblue View Post
    I'm buying a Tulo jersey this week!!!!
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    I'm buying a Souza Jr. in the off-season. We'll see which one is more liked in 2 years.
    I never did get my Souza Jr. jersey...but I know which one I'd rather have now. Who has put up more Wins since the trade...Tulo or Reyes? I'd have to guess it's close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHurl View Post
    I never did get my Souza Jr. jersey...but I know which one I'd rather have now. Who has put up more Wins since the trade...Tulo or Reyes? I'd have to guess it's close.
    He's honestly unwatchable at the plate, he seems to pop up on the infield at least once a night.

    I'm surprised his defense hasnt fallen off though, it saved him in 2016 from not having an awful season, but if that goes down the drain we're looking at another bautista.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHurl View Post
    and was a year younger than Tulo is right now. Tulo won't ever be hated here though...cause he's white.
    He didn't hit hated status...just forgotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHurl View Post
    I never did get my Souza Jr. jersey...but I know which one I'd rather have now. Who has put up more Wins since the trade...Tulo or Reyes? I'd have to guess it's close.
    Not really: Tulo = 4.3 and Reyes = 2.9.

    It's only that close because this year Tulo had zero WAR and Reyes somehow put up 2 WAR when his career looked done after being released by the Rockies.

    Tulo was a 3 WAR player in 2016 (2.9).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthe4th View Post
    Not really: Tulo = 4.3 and Reyes = 2.9.

    It's only that close because this year Tulo had zero WAR and Reyes somehow put up 2 WAR when his career looked done after being released by the Rockies.

    Tulo was a 3 WAR player in 2016 (2.9).
    Are you looking at fWAR? Cause I have it at 3.7 for Tulo and 3.3 for Reyes. Since the trade I think Tulo has been an 94 wRC+
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHurl View Post
    Are you looking at fWAR? Cause I have it at 3.7 for Tulo and 3.3 for Reyes. Since the trade I think Tulo has been an 94 wRC+
    Yeah you're not including the remainder of 2015 after the trade when Reyes was -0.4. Tulo was 1.4, added to his 2.9 in 2016 = 4.3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHurl View Post
    Are you looking at fWAR? Cause I have it at 3.7 for Tulo and 3.3 for Reyes. Since the trade I think Tulo has been an 94 wRC+
    and let me guess...at the time of the trade you predicted Tulo would put a 94 wRC+ over his next 2 and a half seasons. So what do you predict Tulo's wRC+ will be next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saskjayfan View Post
    and let me guess...at the time of the trade you predicted Tulo would put a 94 wRC+ over his next 2 and a half seasons. So what do you predict Tulo's wRC+ will be next year?
    that can't be predicted. we know he is capable of 120, even higher, or he could continue to decline to 90 or less. Gun to my head, 95 is a reasonable prediction. With declining range in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saskjayfan View Post
    and let me guess...at the time of the trade you predicted Tulo would put a 94 wRC+ over his next 2 and a half seasons. So what do you predict Tulo's wRC+ will be next year?
    Predicting decline for an injury prone player in his 30's is pretty reasonable. Even at the time of the trade it was clear the Jays were getting Tulo's twilight. It was just a matter of how many good years he had left before he fell off.

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