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    Quote Originally Posted by Krylian View Post
    My problem is is that Estrada's are the exception. Usually soft tossers don't get it done. I like to play the odds. That's why I always prefer velocity over craftiness. If you have both, then you're Doc.
    Bear in mind I was never an Estrada fan even when he was getting good results for those 2 seasons. I generally don't like command/control guys either given they have such a small margin of error from being half decent to being complete trash as we saw this year.

    However, given the jays situation on the mound right now and need for a retool, having the #5 spot filled by a league minimum earning guy from in house wouldn't be the worse situation to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Havok View Post
    Bear in mind I was never an Estrada fan even when he was getting good results for those 2 seasons. I generally don't like command/control guys either given they have such a small margin of error from being half decent to being complete trash as we saw this year.

    However, given the jays situation on the mound right now and need for a retool, having the #5 spot filled by a league minimum earning guy from in house wouldn't be the worse situation to have.
    Oh. I understand you basically need warm bodies right now. I'm just looking from a long term piece standpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krylian View Post
    Oh. I understand you basically need warm bodies right now. I'm just looking from a long term piece standpoint.
    Fair enough and Rowley is very unlikely to be any type of long term piece so I think we're on the same page here
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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Havok View Post
    Bear in mind I was never an Estrada fan even when he was getting good results for those 2 seasons. I generally don't like command/control guys either given they have such a small margin of error from being half decent to being complete trash as we saw this year.

    However, given the jays situation on the mound right now and need for a retool, having the #5 spot filled by a league minimum earning guy from in house wouldn't be the worse situation to have.
    What I love about crafty over velo is that 1. they tend to last longer career-wise, and 2. have fewer injuries.

    I don't have the science to back myself up, I just know it's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade View Post
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    He's atrocious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaskJaysFan_2 View Post
    What I love about crafty over velo is that 1. they tend to last longer career-wise, and 2. have fewer injuries.

    I don't have the science to back myself up, I just know it's true.
    I don't think you're going to find many people who agree with you. I think it actually tends to be the opposite, where hard throwers learn to be crafty vs crafty guys having their stuff play into their mid 30's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaskJaysFan_2 View Post
    What I love about crafty over velo is that 1. they tend to last longer career-wise, and 2. have fewer injuries.

    I don't have the science to back myself up, I just know it's true.
    I hope you get to be the GM of the Yanks or Red Sox at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krylian View Post
    My problem is is that Estrada's are the exception. Usually soft tossers don't get it done. I like to play the odds. That's why I always prefer velocity over craftiness. If you have both, then you're Doc.
    Doc wasn't really a fireballer, he sat at 91.2(vFA) for his career. I get what you're saying, just isn't a great example to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vilifyingforce View Post
    Doc wasn't really a fireballer, he sat at 91.2(vFA) for his career. I get what you're saying, just isn't a great example to me.
    Doc threw mostly cutters by the time the systems were able to differentiate. When he first came up, he was throwing upper 90's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abomination View Post
    Doc threw mostly cutters by the time the systems were able to differentiate. When he first came up, he was throwing upper 90's.
    Ya. I remember Doc being 92-95 a lot when he was in Toronto. Was touching 98 before Mel Queen rebuilt him.

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