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    I can't wrap my head around a Liberal person defending the Democratic Party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTS View Post
    I can't wrap my head around a Liberal person defending the Democratic Party.
    Progressives aren't liberal, they're anti-liberal authoritarians.
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    Jim actually claims to be a conservative. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    Jim actually claims to be a conservative. lol
    Fiscally only. Progressive socially. You can be authoritarian left or right, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
    The nomination process is literally an election. I mean, holy shit lol.
    You're right; they are elections. However, they're not bound by the same rules as public, democratic elections. Political parties are private clubs, and they can make whatever rules they want to pick a leader. If we assume that everything we've heard about Clinton "stealing" the nomination is true, and everything we've heard about Trump "stealing" the presidency is true, both of them are highly unethical, but only one is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franklin View Post
    You're right; they are elections. However, they're not bound by the same rules as public, democratic elections. Political parties are private clubs, and they can make whatever rules they want to pick a leader. If we assume that everything we've heard about Clinton "stealing" the nomination is true, and everything we've heard about Trump "stealing" the presidency is true, both of them are highly unethical, but only one is illegal.
    He never said "illegal" he said "illegitimate" which are two different things. Clinton's win may not have been illegal but it was far more illegitimate, in my eyes. She cheated financially and then there were all the super delegates and shit. The only advantage people voting for Trump had were that they knew what a horrendously shitty human being their other option was in great detail. No one voted for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Havok View Post
    Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    Thoughts?

    On one hand, everyone knows it's already the capital of Israel, so moving the embassy there and making it an official recognition seems like ...okay, whatever, not exactly a bombshell.

    But when you take into account the peace process there and how this will obviously make Palestinians shit their collective pants, it could have a huge impact.
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    I didn't even know this was a thing until this week. My thoughts are that Trump is going out of his way to antagonize Muslim countries. Hard to read it any other way. He was warned substantially against doing this and knew the potential consequences against the essentially non-existent benefits.
    My thoughts are: fuck Palestine and fuck the Muslim world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJH View Post
    My thoughts are: fuck Palestine and fuck the Muslim world.
    Your thoughts are not particularly well-thought out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franklin View Post
    Your thoughts are not particularly well-thought out.
    I've been ruminating on socio-religious political theory for a decade and just received my PhD in Theology and I have 16,056 posts and have been thanked over 8,500 times so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJH View Post
    My thoughts are: fuck Palestine and fuck the Muslim world.
    Kind of nasty there. I'm assuming you're on edge with this whole cake baking thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
    The nomination process is literally an election. I mean, holy shit lol.
    Its a nomination process, not even close to an election. Hell, often the person in the middle of the pack in terms of primary delegates ends up as the candidate.
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    I think the Trump presidency has been a smashing success so far, tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by connorp View Post
    Kind of nasty there. I'm assuming you're on edge with this whole cake baking thing
    I don't understand that reference.

    What do you think about Trump and Israel, bud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
    Obama bombed more middle eastern countries than any other president in history. Would be hard for Trump to not improve on that front.
    trump so far has been far bloodier than obama, with the promise of much more to come

    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-era-re...le-east-667505
    Quote Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
    I think the Trump presidency has been a smashing success so far, tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJH View Post
    I don't understand that reference.

    What do you think about Trump and Israel, bud?
    Supreme Court to consider religious freedom case of guy that refused to bake a cake for gays. Thought you'd be watching that one. Conservatives are on a roll so who knows what happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
    He never said "illegal" he said "illegitimate" which are two different things. Clinton's win may not have been illegal but it was far more illegitimate, in my eyes. She cheated financially and then there were all the super delegates and shit. The only advantage people voting for Trump had were that they knew what a horrendously shitty human being their other option was in great detail. No one voted for them.
    illegitmate because of illegal activities. Clinton did nothing illegal, sure it was cutthroat politics, but fuck, that's how you win in politics. Been that way forever.

    it appears trump crossed the line and flynn will be spilling the beans. By next summer Mueller will deliver his report to congress, and i predict the list of illegal actions, financial, treasonous, etc will be several pages.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
    I think the Trump presidency has been a smashing success so far, tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by connorp View Post
    Supreme Court to consider religious freedom case of guy that refused to bake a cake for gays. Thought you'd be watching that one. Conservatives are on a roll so who knows what happens
    Right I remember that. Didn't realize it was up.

    Pretty interesting clash - I think there was an Ontario case where the Human Rights Tribunal ruled that a guy with a printing company had to make materials for a gay couple.
    He appealed to the Divisional Court and they overruled the Tribunal...
    ... I think they said they had to serve the gay community generally but could not be forced to make materials that specifically offended their own freedom of religion.

    So it wasn't the Supreme Court of Canada or anything but up here: Have to serve gay people even if you hate them. Don't have to make like, a rainbow cake with a dick on it or probably even a cake with two grooms.

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