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    http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/b...r-notes-010517

    he one thing that remains puzzling about the Blue Jays’ handling of Edwin Encarnacion is the team’s quick pivot to Kendrys Morales in free agency.

    If Encarnacion’s agent, Paul Kinzer, made a questionable decision by failing to seize upon the Jays’ initial four-year, $80 million offer, didn’t the club also misread the market?

    Few question Morales’ offensive ability. As a switch-hitter, he will help balance the Jays’ lineup. But at 33, he is only five months younger than Encarnacion. And the trade and free-agent markets included plenty of other left-handed hitting options, some of whom — unlike Morales — also add defensive and baserunning value.

    The free-agent class included Dexter Fowler, Josh Reddick, Jon Jay, switch-hitter Carlos Beltran and several others who remain unsigned — Luis Valbuena, Michael Saunders, Brandon Moss, Pedro Alvarez, Colby Rasmus. The trade market included — and still includes — the Mets’ Jay Bruce and Curtis Granderson, Yankees’ Brett Gardner and Mariners’ Seth Smith.

    he Jays might view Morales on a three-year, $33 million deal as better than all of those alternatives — and remember, they scored big with their early signings of free-agent pitchers J.A. Happ and Marco Estrada last offseason, both of which were questioned at the time.

    Still, if the Jays truly wanted Encarnacion, they could have kept their options open and allowed him to explore the market. Both the Dodgers’ Justin Turner and Pirates’ Ivan Nova returned to their respective clubs for less money than they sought initially in free agency.

    The Blue Jays, by contrast, made Encarnacion a seemingly modest offer in spring training — a two-year extension with two option years and a reworking of his $10 million salary in 2016, according to Rogers SportsNet.

    They then made him what proved to be a take-it-or-leave-it proposal before the market opened, one that he was likely to refuse so early in the process, even though it proved better than the deal he ultimately landed with the Indians.

    arely do major free agents re-sign with their teams days before other clubs can start bidding — and rarely do teams act so abruptly when trying to retain star players. The Jays signed Morales on Nov. 18, then all but ended any chance of keeping Encarnacion by adding Steve Pearce on Dec. 5.

    The Jays’ assessment of Morales vs. Encarnacion might prove correct, particularly since they landed Morales at just over half of EE’s price. But MLBTradeRumors.com ranked Morales the 22nd best free agent, between Mike Napoli and Greg Holland. Fangraphs had Morales at No. 29, between Valbuena and Brad Ziegler. EE was in the top four on both those lists.

    Even if Morales flew off the board, as the Jays apparently suspected he would, the team would have had plenty of time to adjust.

    Heck, they even could have brought back Edwin Encarnacion, at what proved to be a reduced rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bronson44 View Post
    Decent deal on some tickets that might have some resale value:

    There's a Groupon right now for Jays tickets for a few certain games. Each package comes with a few extras. Not sure when it expires.
    https://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-off...an-package-475

    One of the games is Eddie's first one back in Toronto 5/8/17. Use promo code WINTER20 to take an extra 20% off (expires today). It comes to $39.20 and you get:

    -2 tickets somewhere in section 516 - 532

    - All ticketing options include a $20 Uber first-ride credit for new riders only, an Official Fan Package Sports Discount Package with discounts and incentives to popular sports retailers and includes a $25 gift card toward the purchase at the Official Fan Package online memorabilia store

    - All packages also include a voucher for one complimentary appetizer (up to a $18 value) at any Jack Astor’s Bar and Grill location, including a couple just blocks from the Rogers Centre.
    thats pretty odd. Why would there be a groupon for Jays games? Is this even official?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HERPDERP View Post
    thats pretty odd. Why would there be a groupon for Jays games? Is this even official?
    I've seen them before. I got a confirmation email from Groupon and they charged me so if anything weird happens I'm sure I can get a refund from them.

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    Nice Rosenthal article. This has been discussed for weeks, nice to see the mainstream media picking up this big FO blunder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedjohnsonfan View Post
    Nice Rosenthal article. This has been discussed for weeks, nice to see the mainstream media picking up this big FO blunder.
    You have no idea if it's a blunder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    You have no idea if it's a blunder.
    Basic logic would suggest otherwise. Maybe it will work out, but right now it the whole situation looks stupid on the FO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedjohnsonfan View Post
    Basic logic would suggest otherwise. Maybe it will work out, but right now it the whole situation looks stupid on the FO.

    If anyone looks stupid because of what transpired it's the agent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Governator View Post
    If anyone looks stupid because of what transpired it's the agent.
    They both do IMO

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    He was offered 4-80 and ended up with 3-60.

    The agent looks worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glory View Post
    He was offered 4-80 and ended up with 3-60.

    The agent looks worse.
    Maybe, but I care about the Blue Jays FO, not necessarily how good his agent is. They misread the market and proceeded to overpay for Morales (in the sense of what he likely would have ended up with at this point, not his $$/WAR).

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedjohnsonfan View Post
    Basic logic would suggest otherwise. Maybe it will work out, but right now it the whole situation looks stupid on the FO.
    That's all perception and if I had to guess, your perception about a number of things is incredibly warped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bronson44 View Post
    Decent deal on some tickets that might have some resale value:

    There's a Groupon right now for Jays tickets for a few certain games. Each package comes with a few extras. Not sure when it expires.
    https://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-off...an-package-475

    One of the games is Eddie's first one back in Toronto 5/8/17. Use promo code WINTER20 to take an extra 20% off (expires today). It comes to $39.20 and you get:

    -2 tickets somewhere in section 516 - 532

    - All ticketing options include a $20 Uber first-ride credit for new riders only, an Official Fan Package Sports Discount Package with discounts and incentives to popular sports retailers and includes a $25 gift card toward the purchase at the Official Fan Package online memorabilia store

    - All packages also include a voucher for one complimentary appetizer (up to a $18 value) at any Jack Astor’s Bar and Grill location, including a couple just blocks from the Rogers Centre.
    Honestly I think that deal isn't anything special. The $20 Uber thing is literally available to anyone already and the tickets are above face value..

    A free App isn't bad but to save 12 bucks on that to spend an extra $30 on tickets? No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Snarls View Post
    Yes, especially when Shapiro/Atkins built that Cleveland team. Give them time.. they're trying to build sustainability and avoid the same mistakes AA and Riccardi made.

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    Admin plz close thread as it's not 2016. kthx

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysfan2014 View Post
    Yes, especially when Shapiro/Atkins built that Cleveland team. Give them time.. they're trying to build sustainability and avoid the same mistakes AA and Riccardi made.
    They were in control of that team for awhile and they were shit for awhile. I think I would put more in stock of the minor league development
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