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    Quote Originally Posted by glory View Post
    Sanchez is apparently a Scott Boras client now.

    So, how soon does he get traded? He definitely won't be signing an extension.
    His value likely will never be higher than right now. He's also a real risk for TJS. If he was to be traded for a big haul, fine by me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthe4th View Post
    Carrera is 100% making the 25 man if Gibbons has any say in it.

    And even if he doesn't, Carrera has shown he can be a 4th outfielder and his salary is low - that's the kind of security this front office seems to covet.

    Even though it wouldn't take much for Pompey to be better, his floor is never making it in the majors.
    How do you see Carerra fitting on the roster? If we have a 7 man bullpen and 4 man bench that leaves room for only a 4th outfielder (or if there is a 5th OF Pearce is that guy). And logic would seem to indicate that Upton will be needed as the fourth outfielder as at least one of our corner outfielders will require a platoon partner in Upton.

    Only way I see Carerra on the roster is if he is a starter or if Upton is somehow a starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate View Post
    Only way I see Carerra on the roster is if he is a starter or if Upton is somehow a starter.
    Well both are starters right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glory View Post
    Sanchez is apparently a Scott Boras client now.

    So, how soon does he get traded? He definitely won't be signing an extension.
    Isn't he with Legacy? Same as Stroman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    Well both are starters right now.
    Completely irrelevant. THere are not games scheduled in January.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate View Post
    Completely irrelevant. THere are not games scheduled in January.
    I'm pretty confident that both won't start. I'm not that confident that we won't see them in a platoon to start the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcanuck View Post
    His value likely will never be higher than right now. He's also a real risk for TJS. If he was to be traded for a big haul, fine by me.
    I'm curious as to why Sanchez would be a risk for elbow problems more than any other pitcher. He has a smooth delivery with good mechanics and throws mostly fastballs, so not a lot of the strain that occurs with the breaking balls. Now Chris Sale, that is a candidate for arm problems. Reminds me of back in the day with Duane Ward: they warned his unorthodox mechanics would lead to problems and sure enough.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wk680 View Post
    I'm curious as to why Sanchez would be a risk for elbow problems more than any other pitcher. He has a smooth delivery with good mechanics and throws mostly fastballs, so not a lot of the strain that occurs with the breaking balls. Now Chris Sale, that is a candidate for arm problems. Reminds me of back in the day with Duane Ward: they warned his unorthodox mechanics would lead to problems and sure enough.....
    been discussed a number of times.... jays had him shorten his stride to improve control so he's getting velocity disproportionately from arm action. also the inverted W. had a bit of dead arm in 2015, was shut down for a bit in 2016. some signs are there but never know, he could also pitch for the next 15 years without issue, but it is frankly unlikely. a guy that throws that hard and with those mechanics is almost guaranteed TJS at some point

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    Quote Originally Posted by wk680 View Post
    I'm curious as to why Sanchez would be a risk for elbow problems more than any other pitcher. He has a smooth delivery with good mechanics and throws mostly fastballs, so not a lot of the strain that occurs with the breaking balls. Now Chris Sale, that is a candidate for arm problems. Reminds me of back in the day with Duane Ward: they warned his unorthodox mechanics would lead to problems and sure enough.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcanuck View Post
    been discussed a number of times.... jays had him shorten his stride to improve control so he's getting velocity disproportionately from arm action. also the inverted W. had a bit of dead arm in 2015, was shut down for a bit in 2016. some signs are there but never know, he could also pitch for the next 15 years without issue, but it is frankly unlikely. a guy that throws that hard and with those mechanics is almost guaranteed TJS at some point
    oh god @ all of this

    "He has a smooth delivery with good mechanics and throws mostly fastballs." Sanchez's delivery is pretty ugly but subjectivity aside, there's nothing conclusive that says throwing breaking balls is more or less likely to cause arm injury. Certain studies have shown correlation between fastball frequency and injury risk, and others simply between throwing hard.

    "getting velocity disproportionately from arm action." What? The elbow spiral is key to generating velocity and lower body ground force impact has little to no importance to generating velocity.

    Sanchez and other Jays' modelled 2016 workload


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    Quote Originally Posted by wk680 View Post
    I'm curious as to why Sanchez would be a risk for elbow problems more than any other pitcher. He has a smooth delivery with good mechanics and throws mostly fastballs, so not a lot of the strain that occurs with the breaking balls. Now Chris Sale, that is a candidate for arm problems. Reminds me of back in the day with Duane Ward: they warned his unorthodox mechanics would lead to problems and sure enough.....
    Pitching in almost half the Jays games for 6 straight seasons had nothing to do with it.
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    Just out of curiosity, how much value would we be projected to receive from an Upton/Carerra platoon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GD View Post
    "getting velocity disproportionately from arm action." What? The elbow spiral is key to generating velocity and lower body ground force impact has little to no importance to generating velocity.
    A decrease in stride length is associated with a decrease in velocity, due to lower trunk rotation. But in Sanchez' case, there has been no apparent decrease. Does this mean he is throwing harder to maintain velocity or is he a freak of nature. Most likely the former.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcanuck View Post
    A decrease in stride length is associated with a decrease in velocity, due to lower trunk rotation. But in Sanchez' case, there has been no apparent decrease. Does this mean he is throwing harder to maintain velocity or is he a freak of nature. Most likely the former.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcanuck View Post
    A decrease in stride length is associated with a decrease in velocity, due to lower trunk rotation. But in Sanchez' case, there has been no apparent decrease. Does this mean he is throwing harder to maintain velocity or is he a freak of nature. Most likely the former.
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    I know King isn't... little prick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcanuck View Post
    been discussed a number of times.... jays had him shorten his stride to improve control so he's getting velocity disproportionately from arm action. also the inverted W. had a bit of dead arm in 2015, was shut down for a bit in 2016. some signs are there but never know, he could also pitch for the next 15 years without issue, but it is frankly unlikely. a guy that throws that hard and with those mechanics is almost guaranteed TJS at some point
    Possibly the stride was 'too long' before and is now more what it should have been? Yeah the inverted W approach that Sanchez falls into has been suggested to be problematic, but I think nothing definitive on that. I guess my thinking was biased by how many times I have heard Dan Plesac on MLB Network refer to Sanchez's 'smooth and easy 95 mph' and how much he thinks of the kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate View Post
    How do you see Carerra fitting on the roster? If we have a 7 man bullpen and 4 man bench that leaves room for only a 4th outfielder (or if there is a 5th OF Pearce is that guy). And logic would seem to indicate that Upton will be needed as the fourth outfielder as at least one of our corner outfielders will require a platoon partner in Upton.

    Only way I see Carerra on the roster is if he is a starter or if Upton is somehow a starter.
    Well you just answered your own question.

    I see us obtaining a RF and mainly using Upton and Carrera in LF, with Pearce playing some OF and Barney also getting a few games there.

    I assume that Goins is the odd man out for the 25 man, as Barney makes him redundant.

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