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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthe4th View Post
    No one is giving Bautista a $18-20m one year deal to play 1B/DH.
    I could totally see a team paying $17-17.5 one year deal to play DH/1B.


    edit: nvm according to passan's article he wants more then the QO for 1 year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george09 View Post
    I could totally see a team paying $17-17.5 one year deal to play DH/1B.


    edit: nvm according to passan's article he wants more then the QO for 1 year.
    And don't forget there's a pick attached too - if it wasn't us signing him for 1B/DH the signing team would want a longer deal to offset the value of the pick. But we don't want him on a longer deal as 1B/DH is already filled.

    As you rightly say, JB isn't a good OF but a one year risk is manageable, not a longer deal though for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthe4th View Post
    If this is true we have to get it done. He can play OF for one year without tanking his value too much.

    All the available superior fielders are likely significant worse with the bat next year.

    We've secured a comp pick from EE signing with Cleveland so giving up a hypothetical second comp pick shouldn't be a deal breaker.
    Agreed.

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    I've said it plenty of times... Bats is worth 1 year 20 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthe4th View Post
    If this is true we have to get it done. He can play OF for one year without tanking his value too much.

    All the available superior fielders are likely significant worse with the bat next year.

    We've secured a comp pick from EE signing with Cleveland so giving up a hypothetical second comp pick shouldn't be a deal breaker.
    I wrote an article on this a couple of weeks ago: http://theballpoint.org/index.php/20...isnt-question/

    The 2-3 year deal now seems out of the question. Jays shouldn't hesitate to bring him back on a one year deal if thats all it will cost. Guys like Bruce or Granderson will require $13 & $15 million respectively + assets and both of them aren't as good as Bautista can be with the bat. Bautista is one of the greatest if not greatest hitter ever to put on a Blue Jays uniform and its sad this organization is kind of casting him aside like this when he won't be that expensive to bring back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysblue View Post
    I wrote an article on this a couple of weeks ago: http://theballpoint.org/index.php/20...isnt-question/

    The 2-3 year deal now seems out of the question. Jays shouldn't hesitate to bring him back on a one year deal if thats all it will cost. Guys like Bruce or Granderson will require $13 & $15 million respectively + assets and both of them aren't as good as Bautista can be with the bat.
    + the fact that he's sort of a bluejay icon and we clearly don't have players lining up to come here in FA. Give him his 18 Mil and lets all move on
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    Quote Originally Posted by jays_fever View Post
    + the fact that he's sort of a bluejay icon and we clearly don't have players lining up to come here in FA. Give him his 18 Mil and lets all move on
    Yup. It's not a guarantee guys like Moss, Rasmus, Pagan or Coghlan would want to come here in the first place. Look at Fowler and Reddick for an example. There aren't any decent outfielders who are both solid offensively & defensively available anyways. Bautista is an icon here, the organization knows him best, and we all know when he's healthy he could be one of the most feared hitters in baseball. There is no way a guy like Rasmus, Moss, Granderson or Bruce even come close offensively to what a healthy Bautista is capable of.

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    Please go sign elsewhere Jose the party is over and our window is closed.

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    Revere signs 1yr $4m. He would have been a nice addition and cheap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    Saunders probably isn't any worse than Moss. He's more risk-reward though IMO. We could really use him or Moss. I'd probably prefer Saunders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george09 View Post
    Play OF for another year full time and risk him getting injured again? People underestimate his decline in RF, it's not like it is going to get better this year. He is an absolute liability out there, Bautista is a DH/1B now.


    But Gibby will probably start him out in RF everyday anyways if we sign him.
    Bautista had two freak injuries. Turf toe from hitting the wall and a knee issue from his spikes getting caught in the turf at rogers. Even when he came back and played there were lingering effects of those issues. I fully expect a healthy Bautista to be better in the field and the plate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthe4th View Post
    No one is giving Bautista a $18-20m one year deal to play 1B/DH.
    Beltran got 16 so Bautista is easily worth 18 if he didn't have a pick attached. Anyone with a protected pick or a team that's already lost a pick and is really going for it might go there though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justafan View Post
    Revere signs 1yr $4m. He would have been a nice addition and cheap.
    For what

    Exactly what are you trying to create a last place team. Revere isn't a value add and hasn't been for a very long time

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    We won't sign Bautista. Shatkins is crazy for picks. Internally they probably put that pick at 15-20 Mil who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealAccountant View Post
    We won't sign Bautista. Shatkins is crazy for picks. Internally they probably put that pick at 15-20 Mil who knows.
    Not hard to replace Bautista. An above average but declining hitter with shit defense.

    I suspect Shatkins is looking at 2020 as the timing to be WS contenders again, around same time Martin and Tulo contracts expire.

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    Two of the Blue Jays' better prospects came straight from the Pirate system four months ago so they could dump Liriano. I really don't think there's a sexy enough package among the remaining pieces on the farm that gets McCutchen. Definitely would need to subtract from the MLB roster, probably starting with Stroman.

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