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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehjays View Post
    He doesn't fill a position of need very well though. His bat is good but his defence and arm are below average now.
    He's not good defensively but his bat makes up for it. He's a worthy upgrade over the crap currently in the corner OF on the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    A 3-WAR Outfielder is a 3-WAR Outfielder IMO, regardless of how much value comes from his bat versus defense. Would a good defensive player but a shitty hitter who projects for 3 WAR somehow fill our needs better? I don't think so. Frankly I think our run prevention is better than our offense right now anyway so if we want to break it down by fit an offensive player would probably be better.
    Agree 100%. Moss seems like a good fit to platoon with Upton but they still need another OF. Bautista is a huge upgrade over the rest of the OF on the market.

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    Probably just me but I think Jose's offensive value is greater thann EE going forward for their career, Bautista will probably put up an obp north of .350 for quite some time

    Makes me think that there is more to this

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    to sign Jose for pretty big money for 1 year and give up a draft pick seems like poor management to me.

    If in May Jose is still looking for a team and it becomes clear the jays will not get a draft pick then you can sign him.

    With that being said their isn't many good OF free agents left.

    Teams need starting pitching so the Jays should sign a starter and trade one of Happ, Liriano or Estrada for an outfielder. Keep Sanchez and Stroman.

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    If Jose Bautista chooses to wait out till June he will definitely not be signing on with the Jays. I think many contending teams will be willing to give up a nice sum of money. Morales ended up with 8M and he wasn't even that sought after.

    Bautista can easily wait till June take a couple months off and sign on with a team in June for say 12M

    There will be no draft pick. I would consider that a major failure on Shapiro's Jays part, the second of this offseason ( EE Debacle)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealAccountant View Post
    If Jose Bautista chooses to wait out till June he will definitely not be signing on with the Jays. I think many contending teams will be willing to give up a nice sum of money. Morales ended up with 8M and he wasn't even that sought after.

    Bautista can easily wait till June take a couple months off and sign on with a team in June for say 12M

    There will be no draft pick. I would consider that a major failure on Shapiro's Jays part, the second of this offseason ( EE Debacle)
    If he was really sought after a team would just give up a pick to sign him now. Not every team has to give up a 1st round pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HERPDERP View Post
    Kole Calhoun + for Stoman

    who says no
    I'd offer JA Happ + in a deal for Calhoun.

    Happ becomes a FA in 2019, Calhoun in 2020. Happ's value right now is probably at an all-time high. Plus 2 years/$26 million is a bargain for him. Obviously would have to add another piece along with Happ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burlingtonbandit View Post
    If he was really sought after a team would just give up a pick to sign him now. Not every team has to give up a 1st round pick.
    Fait enough

    The two teams that can use him the most their fan bases hate him

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysblue View Post
    I'd offer JA Happ + in a deal for Calhoun.

    Happ becomes a FA in 2019, Calhoun in 2020. Happ's value right now is probably at an all-time high. Plus 2 years/$26 million is a bargain for him. Obviously would have to add another piece along with Happ.
    Estrada is the SP that should be involved in a trade, especially before ST begins. Problem is that most GMs would probably be skeptical because of his back issues. I'd still dangle him out there just to feel the waters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gruber92 View Post
    Estrada is the SP that should be involved in a trade, especially before ST begins. Problem is that most GMs would probably be skeptical because of his back issues. I'd still dangle him out there just to feel the waters.
    If you're not looking to get anything back by dealing Estrada, then you can try go for it. He's a free agent after this season and as you pointed out, he's got some injury issues. At least with Happ there's an extra year of control and no health issues. By adding stuff with him as the main piece you can probably get something useful for him by selling high.
    Quote Originally Posted by LetTheBallFly View Post
    Heck no. I'm not too impressed with Garcia. Has been overly wild imo and gotten them to chase some which has helped a lot.

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    We are in no position to trade a SP. I think some of you are forgetting how insanely lucky we got with SP health last year. It's very atypical, and you can probably expect to lose at least one of our SP to some serious injury time this season. God forbid it's Stro or Sanchez. We need to address OF, but trading a SP is not an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Dinger View Post
    We are in no position to trade a SP. I think some of you are forgetting how insanely lucky we got with SP health last year. It's very atypical, and you can probably expect to lose at least one of our SP to some serious injury time this season. God forbid it's Stro or Sanchez. We need to address OF, but trading a SP is not an option.
    Why should we expect that? It's a possibility sure, but which pitcher's do you think are particularly vulnerable to something really serious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirBJay View Post
    If you're not looking to get anything back by dealing Estrada, then you can try go for it. He's a free agent after this season and as you pointed out, he's got some injury issues. At least with Happ there's an extra year of control and no health issues. By adding stuff with him as the main piece you can probably get something useful for him by selling high.
    True.. The fact that we're trying to figure out how to obtain an outfielder by giving up something useful is insane when there is a one year(possibly two) stop gap in Bautista available and we give up nothing. Jose will be fine if his playing time is split three ways between RF / 1B /DH. Fuck the draft pick when we have two others and are in a position to win. Shapiro is being a little to cute and this could backfire horribly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedjohnsonfan View Post
    Why should we expect that? It's a possibility sure, but which pitcher's do you think are particularly vulnerable to something really serious?
    Because it's incredibly rare for a team to go through an entire season without losing one of their top-5 starters to a long DL stint...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Dinger View Post
    We are in no position to trade a SP. I think some of you are forgetting how insanely lucky we got with SP health last year. It's very atypical, and you can probably expect to lose at least one of our SP to some serious injury time this season. God forbid it's Stro or Sanchez. We need to address OF, but trading a SP is not an option.
    ^This. The overall health and performance of the SP was a black swan event. If they repeat it great, but its not something we can count on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCecil View Post
    ^This. The overall health and performance of the SP was a black swan event. If they repeat it great, but its not something we can count on.
    Most teams on average use what? 8 SPs per year?
    Quote Originally Posted by LetTheBallFly View Post
    Heck no. I'm not too impressed with Garcia. Has been overly wild imo and gotten them to chase some which has helped a lot.



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