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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthe4th View Post
    With the second wildcard we'd have to be epically bad (unlikely without injuries to one or more of the pitchers + a position player like Donaldson/Martin) to be selling everyone. A .500 team still has a good chance of a wildcard.

    I do think that if we are around .500 we'd shop Estrada, and if Gurriel / Urena is considered ready, maybe we'd shop Tulo too. I seriously doubt we'll be entering full rebuild mode though.
    I doubt Tulo gets shopped, he's got a full NTC and I think he'd be one of the last guys to be traded if they're out of it. I think they sell if they're more than 3 GB of the wildcard. Lots of pieces would be moved.

    Estrada, Happ, Liriano, Grilli, Upton, Pearce, Donaldson would likely all be moved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burlingtonbandit View Post
    I doubt Tulo gets shopped, he's got a full NTC and I think he'd be one of the last guys to be traded if they're out of it. I think they sell if they're more than 3 GB of the wildcard. Lots of pieces would be moved.

    Estrada, Happ, Liriano, Grilli, Upton, Pearce, Donaldson would likely all be moved.
    Sorry, I maybe misunderstanding you, but are to trying to suggest Donaldson gets traded if at the deadline we are more than 3 games out of a wildcard place?

    3 games is nothing, that can be caught up in less than a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthe4th View Post
    Sorry, I maybe misunderstanding you, but are to trying to suggest Donaldson gets traded if at the deadline we are more than 3 games out of a wildcard place?

    3 games is nothing, that can be caught up in less than a week.
    I think the FO would certainly listen. If there are say 3 team between the Jays and the 2nd place wildcard then a 4 Game lead is quite a bit. Obviously a bunch of factors go into it like injuries up until that point and what teams are offering in return but trading JD makes sense if you aren't going to sign him long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burlingtonbandit View Post
    I think the FO would certainly listen. If there are say 3 team between the Jays and the 2nd place wildcard then a 4 Game lead is quite a bit. Obviously a bunch of factors go into it like injuries up until that point and what teams are offering in return but trading JD makes sense if you aren't going to sign him long term.
    Thanks, that's much more reasonable.

    Hopefully it won't be an issue anyway, and we'll be right in the mix for the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthe4th View Post
    Sorry, I maybe misunderstanding you, but are to trying to suggest Donaldson gets traded if at the deadline we are more than 3 games out of a wildcard place?

    3 games is nothing, that can be caught up in less than a week.
    The Jays are a team in decline with aging vets. If they have 3/4 teams ahead of them at the deadline, hard to see how retaining JD makes sense, by the time Jays have reloaded JD will be what, 35/36?

    I find it hard to see the Jays as WS contenders in 2017, the competition is just so much stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcanuck View Post
    The Jays are a team in decline with aging vets. If they have 3/4 teams ahead of them at the deadline, hard to see how retaining JD makes sense, by the time Jays have reloaded JD will be what, 35/36?

    I find it hard to see the Jays as WS contenders in 2017, the competition is just so much stronger.
    It didn't have to be this way. With an aggressive offseason the Jays would have out positioned everyone in the division (other than the Red Sox) for at least next season and possibly the next two. I have no idea what the FO is doing right now. Seems like they are playing both sides of the coin. They don't want to go all-in but at the same time they are locking up 34 year olds to multi-year deals. It's been a frustrating offseason to say the least. Here's to hoping they can pull a rabbit out of their hat before it's over.

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    I wouldn't take Bautista back if he paid us!

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    I found it funny that the only team that Matt Holliday had on his NTC when he signed with the Yanks was Oakland. Guess he likes having free soda.

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    I don't really believe that Bautista is running any risk of sitting out until June. Some team with either a protected 1st, or a 1st that's already been forfeited, is going to bite at at least 1/15.
    I think I might riot if we don't get Bautista for 1/15. Bautista at his best is worth more than a 30-something overall draft pick. Theres no reason we shouldn't get Bautista on a 1 year + 1 team option deal at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    I found it funny that the only team that Matt Holliday had on his NTC when he signed with the Yanks was Oakland. Guess he likes having free soda.



    I think I might riot if we don't get Bautista for 1/15. Bautista at his best is worth more than a 30-something overall draft pick. Theres no reason we shouldn't get Bautista on a 1 year + 1 team option deal at this point
    So let me get this straight. You would rather pay Bautista 15 million to put up numbers likely somewhere between last year and 2015. (His strikeouts will go up).? If he plays the outfield, he's going to cost you 5-15 Runs? You would rather do that, then pay someone less money, to provide the same value. Oh and you wouldn't want Thor or Aaron Sanchez? Both were sandwich round picks.

    That being said, I would probably sign Bautista for 1-15, if he plays at least half the game's at DH, with Morales playing first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nafro View Post
    So let me get this straight. You would rather pay Bautista 15 million to put up numbers likely somewhere between last year and 2015. (His strikeouts will go up).? If he plays the outfield, he's going to cost you 5-15 Runs? You would rather do that, then pay someone less money, to provide the same value. Oh and you wouldn't want Thor or Aaron Sanchez? Both were sandwich round picks.

    That being said, I would probably sign Bautista for 1-15, if he plays at least half the game's at DH, with Morales playing first.
    Are you trolling? I can't tell.
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    I think we all know it's the latter. The Mariners have been a disgustingly bad offensive for a decade now and nothing has changed.

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    Losing a pick for a one year player, especially when you can't recoup that pick next year due to the CBA change, is pretty significant. Unless Bautista is signing for Nelson Cruz 2014 money on a one year deal (factoring for inflation), which his ego won't allow him to, I'm not that interested. If it's one year + a team option or two, then we're talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glory View Post
    Losing a pick for a one year player, especially when you can't recoup that pick next year due to the CBA change, is pretty significant. Unless Bautista is signing for Nelson Cruz 2014 money on a one year deal (factoring for inflation), which his ego won't allow him to, I'm not that interested. If it's one year + a team option or two, then we're talking.
    Where this team is right now, I'd rather have Bautista than a pick that has likely a 90% chance of amounting to nothing. I'd feel differently if there were other options.
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    I think we all know it's the latter. The Mariners have been a disgustingly bad offensive for a decade now and nothing has changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glory View Post
    Losing a pick for a one year player, especially when you can't recoup that pick next year due to the CBA change, is pretty significant. Unless Bautista is signing for Nelson Cruz 2014 money on a one year deal (factoring for inflation), which his ego won't allow him to, I'm not that interested. If it's one year + a team option or two, then we're talking.
    I'd rather have Bautista than any of the FA options left and it isn't even close. Even with crap defense a 3-4 Win season isn't unrealistic. Funny how no one cared about the pick when talking about Edwin while also giving him $80 Million.

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    I can see both sides. Jose could put up a 3 WAR season and help the Jays possibly get to the playoff picture again, so there's definitely value in that. I just think with the value of the pick being what it is that it makes more sense to go for a longer term, but then again, the longer term is less desirable for the team because of his age. That's why tacking on a team option would be the deal breaker for me. If it's a straight one year deal, and the cost is $17mm plus whatever you want to value the comp pick at ($8-10mm), that's a pretty sizable investment for a 36 year old with no D value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burlingtonbandit View Post
    I'd rather have Bautista than any of the FA options left and it isn't even close. Even with crap defense a 3-4 Win season isn't unrealistic. Funny how no one cared about the pick when talking about Edwin while also giving him $80 Million.
    Eddie is likeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krylian View Post
    Eddie is likeable.
    And, more importanly, a more reliable bat

    (Edwin's wRC+ has been better than Bautista's from 2014-2016)

    And 3-4 years younger
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