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    Pittsburgh planning for when McCutchen leaves (Marte, Frazier, Meadows).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jays_fever View Post
    That seems pretty fair. Similar to what they paid for Sonny Gray. He hasnt become the ace everyone thought he would be
    I don't know man. He's been pretty damn good when healthy. I would bet his WAR/inning is right up there. He just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Christ that's a good, young, deep rotation now. The Yanks look unstoppable - especially if Torres steps right in and produces. I mean we've said that before (usually about Washington), but hot damn, the next 3-5 years doesn't look promising for the Jays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    Pittsburgh planning for when McCutchen leaves (Marte, Frazier, Meadows).
    Makes sense

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    Does the cole deal set the approx market for stroman? Stro a year younger, talent and results comparable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19;1217727[B
    ]I don't know man. He's been pretty damn good when healthy. [/B] I
    2015 was really good, past two years I'd say just good. A lot more in the Sonny Gray, Marcus Stroman camp than the Bumgarners which is what he was projected for is what I was getting at
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcanuck View Post
    Does the cole deal set the approx market for stroman? Stro a year younger, talent and results comparable
    Stro comes with four years of team control vs just two for Cole...whatever the Pirates are getting, it would/should take a lot more to pry Stro away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendleton View Post
    Stro comes with four years of team control vs just two for Cole...whatever the Pirates are getting, it would/should take a lot more to pry Stro away.
    Stro has three years of control left now, but regardless that one extra year should still be worth more than Cole, combined with putting up these numbers in the AL East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glory View Post
    Stro has three years of control left now, but regardless that one extra year should still be worth more than Cole, combined with putting up these numbers in the AL East.
    Yes, thats why i said 'approx market'

    Stro should return a bit more than cole, the equiv of a prospect just outside the top 100 i would say
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    Quote Originally Posted by jays_fever View Post
    2015 was really good, past two years I'd say just good. A lot more in the Sonny Gray, Marcus Stroman camp than the Bumgarners which is what he was projected for is what I was getting at
    In 2015 he was better than Bumgarner has ever been (playoffs excluded). Last year was a bit of a down season (matched Bumgarner's 2012 season). Take all his other season and project them to Bumgarner's innings pitched and he's just as good. He just hasn't been able to stay healthy consistently.

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    The guy the Jays should be looking to move and cash in on is Osuna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L54 View Post
    The guy the Jays should be looking to move and cash in on is Osuna.
    Yeah if Jake McGee is worth 27 mil then Osuna is worth a ton in a trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L54 View Post
    The guy the Jays should be looking to move and cash in on is Osuna.
    Yeah seriously. They can still faux contend and rebuild at the same time if they maximize their most expendable assets, and while Osuna is awesome, he's simply not going to have as much value to a .500-ish team than he would for a team planning to seriously contend. If the Jays can get 2-3 top prospects back, then they'd be setting up the future nicely, and may not even lose much in '18 given how unpredictable relievers are. Who knows when Osuna's arm will flake out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glory View Post
    Yeah seriously. They can still faux contend and rebuild at the same time if they maximize their most expendable assets, and while Osuna is awesome, he's simply not going to have as much value to a .500-ish team than he would for a team planning to seriously contend. If the Jays can get 2-3 top prospects back, then they'd be setting up the future nicely, and may not even lose much in '18 given how unpredictable relievers are. Who knows when Osuna's arm will flake out.
    With one TJS already he's a ticking time bomb to me. Love him as a player and he's been a great story, but the Jays could get some really helpful pieces for him like the Yankees did in 2016 at the deadline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    Yeah if Jake McGee is worth 27 mil then Osuna is worth a ton in a trade.
    Exactly my thoughts too. I'd take 75% of the Giles return, but would target bats instead of arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glory View Post
    Yeah seriously. They can still faux contend and rebuild at the same time if they maximize their most expendable assets, and while Osuna is awesome, he's simply not going to have as much value to a .500-ish team than he would for a team planning to seriously contend. If the Jays can get 2-3 top prospects back, then they'd be setting up the future nicely, and may not even lose much in '18 given how unpredictable relievers are. Who knows when Osuna's arm will flake out.
    If the Jays want to compete this year they're going to have to keep him though. Without him the bullpen is easily bottom 10 if not worse.

    But if they sell at the deadline he should be one of the first ones they move.

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    If the front office donít even want to trade JD with only a year left, thereís no chance Osuna is going anywhere.

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