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    Quote Originally Posted by NJH View Post
    Their system is so barren - pitching depth is nonexistent even at the upper levels in the form of MiLB veterans. Seems like it would be Rusin, Lyles, or bust.
    Yency Almonte is an interesting guy who is on the 40. Sam Moll, short lefty reliever with a nice fastball, curveball combo. That's the extent of what else could help this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHurl View Post
    I have to believe that the stories were true though. Just DFA'ing him seems to make no sense if there were people interested. It's likely going to be for a DFA candidate pitcher but maybe we can add to the deal and get someone with options and upside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHurl View Post
    Yency Almonte is an interesting guy who is on the 40. Sam Moll, short lefty reliever with a nice fastball, curveball combo. That's the extent of what else could help this year.
    I wonder if the Mets might have interest.

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    We need a right-handed hitting outfielder. Goins can for one of those as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJH View Post
    I wonder if the Mets might have interest.
    Goins might be their starter. Rafael Montero?
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    So I just realized that we have basically the same record this year that we've had this point the last two years.
    2015: 18-24
    2016: 19-23
    2017: 18-24

    Considering all the injuries and guys due to come off the DL this is pretty encouraging. I think that since we started off so badly it feels like we're completely out of it, but we've been here before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneyen View Post
    So I just realized that we have basically the same record this year that we've had this point the last two years.
    2015: 18-24
    2016: 19-23
    2017: 18-24

    Considering all the injuries and guys due to come off the DL this is pretty encouraging. I think that since we started off so badly it feels like we're completely out of it, but we've been here before.
    The better predictor at this time of year is run differential. Jays are currently at -16 runs. IIRC, at this time in 2015 and 2016 the run differential was close to zero or even on the positive side.

    Of course, it is still very early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneyen View Post
    So I just realized that we have basically the same record this year that we've had this point the last two years.
    2015: 18-24
    2016: 19-23
    2017: 18-24

    Considering all the injuries and guys due to come off the DL this is pretty encouraging. I think that since we started off so badly it feels like we're completely out of it, but we've been here before.
    Yeah far from out of it. Weren't they a game under .500 (or something like that) at the trade deadline in 2015? Though their run differential was the best in baseball, or close, at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedjohnsonfan View Post
    Yeah far from out of it. Weren't they a game under .500 (or something like that) at the trade deadline in 2015? Though their run differential was the best in baseball, or close, at the time.
    Was the best in baseball by a fair margin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcanuck View Post
    The better predictor at this time of year is run differential. Jays are currently at -16 runs. IIRC, at this time in 2015 and 2016 the run differential was close to zero or even on the positive side.

    Of course, it is still very early.
    Run differential definitely does a better job of assessing how the team has performed, but given the lineup we're running out there every night it's not surprising it's pretty negative. I look at the record more like an indicator that all hope may not be lost once we get some talent back in the lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcanuck View Post
    The better predictor at this time of year is run differential. Jays are currently at -16 runs. IIRC, at this time in 2015 and 2016 the run differential was close to zero or even on the positive side.

    Of course, it is still very early.
    The run differential isn't as relevant as you claim considering the jays are running out Goins, Coughlan, Carerra, Maile, and Barney as regulars in place of JD, Tulo, Martin, and Pearce. Throw in the spot starts from Lawrence, Latos and Bolinger and it becomes quite clear that trying to measure a Jays lineup with run differential really has no merit. It might be more accurate to articulate that the Bisons run differential against the rest of the MLB is poor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneyen View Post
    Run differential definitely does a better job of assessing how the team has performed, but given the lineup we're running out there every night it's not surprising it's pretty negative. I look at the record more like an indicator that all hope may not be lost once we get some talent back in the lineup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maahfaace View Post
    The run differential isn't as relevant as you claim considering the jays are running out Goins, Coughlan, Carerra, Maile, and Barney as regulars in place of JD, Tulo, Martin, and Pearce. Throw in the spot starts from Lawrence, Latos and Bolinger and it becomes quite clear that trying to measure a Jays lineup with run differential really has no merit. It might be more accurate articulate that the Bisons run differential against the rest MLB is poor.
    I think judging their crap lineup by run differential makes perfect sense given they've been forced to run out that crap lineup. Their record and differential should also suck.

    But i think what you're saying is that their run differential isn't predictive since the lineup will get boosted once the guys that aren't replacement level DFA candidates come back from injury.
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