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Thread: Annual Hall of Fame induction thread

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    Annual Hall of Fame induction thread

    Discuss

    Public polls showing the story

    Final announcements soon

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    Prediction: a bunch of guys who deserve to get in will be snubbed.
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    Unfortunately, they really skimped out on the crickets on mine because they add a pretty flavourful crunch element on top of the coleslaw.

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    Murray Chass being a tool and making more news than the players

    Booooo

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    All votes will be made public starting next year

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    There was some spreadsheet showing the current status going around. It never worked when I opened it and now I've lost interest. Can someone post a link that works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    There was some spreadsheet showing the current status going around. It never worked when I opened it and now I've lost interest. Can someone post a link that works?
    http://bit.ly/tracker17

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    Bagwell
    Rodriguez
    Raines

    Looking good

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    Bonds and Clemens have dropped significantly below the induction line since the first batch of public votes

    Boooooooo
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Snarls View Post
    Bagwell
    Rodriguez
    Raines

    Looking good
    Agreed. I love that Bags is getting in.

    Vlad is on the cusp too. I expected Vlad would get in, but it's crazy to see him getting in on his first try when a superior player like Jim Edmonds got booted off the ballot in his first year and guys like Bonds, Clemens, Schilling and Manny aren't getting enough love to get in. I forgot how stupid this voting really is.

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    Bagwell is probably my favourite player of all-time, so I love that it looks like this is the year. His accomplishments were somewhat unheralded during his career. Very worthy of getting in.

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    I'm seeing some good things and some not so good things and that's an improvement.

    Good:
    -Bonds and Clemens rising. Makes me hopeful they eventually get in.
    -Tim Raines is looking good.
    -Bagwell looking good.
    -Pudge looking good.
    -Edgar Martinez is improving.
    -Mussina is improving.
    -Nearly 9 votes per ballot is excellent with the overwhelming majority of ballots being 10-player ballots. There are currently more than 10 worthy guys so so as close to 10 as that number gets the better we can clear the logjam.

    Bad:
    -Schilling is dropping, likely due to his political beliefs which shouldn't matter.
    -Trevor Hoffman has a chance this year to get in, eventually he will. He shouldn't even sniff it.
    -Vlad Guerrero has a chance to be a 1st ballot HoFer and Larry Walker won't ever get in. Larry Walker was hands down a better player than Vlad and I will fight anyone who says otherwise. Similar sticks but Walker was an excellent baserunner and fielder and Vlad was bad at both.

    That said, this is only about 43% of the ballots revealed so far. All those dinosaur writers that don't know how to use the internet to post their ballots publicly could tank Raines or Bagwell.

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    It's amazing how Vlady was/is known as a 5 tool player....yet he was a poor base runner and terrible defender essentially throughout his entire career. He's probably one of the most misconceived players of this past generation. He might be one of the last players to be widely considered a Superstar / HOF player despite what advanced metrics suggested. Brian Giles was basically the same player as Vlady.

    Larry Walker was a better hitter, better base runner, better defender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    It's amazing how Vlady was/is known as a 5 tool player....yet he was a poor base runner and terrible defender essentially throughout his entire career. He's probably one of the most misconceived players of this past generation. He might be one of the last players to be widely considered a Superstar / HOF player despite what advanced metrics suggested. Brian Giles was basically the same player as Vlady.

    Larry Walker was a better hitter, better base runner, better defender.
    He had a couple of years with high steal totals (along with a high number of CS too) and I think people thought because he stole 40 bags he was fast and a good baserunner. They ignore his 20 CS that year. He did have a cannon of an arm so perhaps because he had a cannon and because they thought he was fast that he must have been good at defense too?

    Larry Walker gets overly punished because he played at Coors Field but even factoring that in he was a better hitter.

    Vlad played about a full season's worth of games more than Walker did but he still finished with about 14 less WAR.

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    Edmonds is about 10 more WAR than Vlady in about the same # of years. He couldn't even get 5% of the votes...

    It's kind of funny that Vlady doesn't qualify if you look at advanced metrics - yet he didn't reach many (any?) of the traditional milestones either (500 hr, 200 sb). He had a very strong slash line and obviously was a very good hitter, but he seems to be a product of marketing created by the " Sportcenter highlights" era. He did spectacular things on the baseball field, which would get plastered all over Sportscenter and people would assume he's something he really wasn't. Cespedes might get a little of that these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    Edmonds is about 10 more WAR than Vlady in about the same # of years. He couldn't even get 5% of the votes...

    It's kind of funny that Vlady doesn't qualify if you look at advanced metrics - yet he didn't reach many (any?) of the traditional milestones either (500 hr, 200 sb). He had a very strong slash line and obviously was a very good hitter, but he seems to be a product of marketing created by the " Sportcenter highlights" era. He did spectacular things on the baseball field, which would get plastered all over Sportscenter and people would assume he's something he really wasn't. Cespedes might get a little of that these days.
    To me it's more about Vlad's plate coverage than the highlight reels. It was just so uncanny. He was such a great pure hitter. It's hard to reconcile that with the idea that he's a lesser player than Jim Edmonds. Edmonds is the one I actually mostly remember from being a highlight reel staple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    Larry Walker gets overly punished because he played at Coors Field but even factoring that in he was a better hitter.
    Coors a bit, yes. But also, the HOF voters don't understand what a complete ballplayer Walker was. Until more of them pay attention to defense, baserunning, OBP, etc and less to shiny shit like average, HR, RBI, players like Walker will get shafted.

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