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    Shohei Otani signs with Angels


    Shohei Otani will leave hundreds of millions of dollars on the table to play in MLB next season

    Jeff Passan, MLB columnist, Yahoo Sports, Sep 13, 2017, 2:31 AM



    It isn’t about the money. Athletes reflexively say this, and sports fans roll their eyes, because
    of course it’s about the money. It’s always about the money. Then along comes Shohei Otani,
    23 years old, the finest baseball player Japan has produced in years, maybe decades, a once-
    in-a-generation sort who can throw 102 mph and hit tape-measure home runs, a player whose
    free-market value would start at $200 million if Major League Baseball didn’t restrict the
    signings of international players under 25 to barely $10 million.

    Only Otani, it seems, does not mind the prospect of giving up literally hundreds of millions of
    dollars to play in the greatest league in the world. Multiple reports out of Japan on Wednesday
    morning there said the same thing: Otani, who has been called the Japanese Babe Ruth, will
    enter the posting system this winter and play for a major league team in 2018. This came as
    no surprise to the general managers and scouts who have flocked in recent weeks to watch
    him pitch for the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters. It also didn’t lessen their excitement any.

    “It’s really happening,” one GM said, half-mocking, half-giddy at the prospect of the 23-year-
    old spicing up the free-agent market this winter. And fascinating as his courtship would be in
    normal circumstances, the prospect of the best player available signing one of the most
    piddling contracts makes it unlike any free agency sports has seen: One where it literally isn’t
    about the money.

    If it were, Otani would wait two years, bide his time with the Fighters and arrive in the major
    leagues a true free agent, able to sign with whomever he wants for however much he desires.
    Instead, MLB’s new collective-bargaining agreement limits the teams to hard-capped bonus
    pools between $4.75 million and $5.75 million to spend from July 2 until June of next year. A
    team can trade for up to 75 percent of its bonus-pool value, meaning the New York Yankees
    and Boston Red Sox, both of whom have acquired international bonus money, can have a
    maximum of $8.3 million. The eight teams with $5.75 million to spend can deal for up to
    $10.1 million total, though three of them are restricted from signing any player for over
    $300,000 because of penalties from exceeding past pools.

    Eleven teams in all, including the Los Angeles Dodgers, Chicago Cubs, San Diego Padres and
    Houston Astros, face the $300,000 ceiling, complicating his decision even more. Otani
    considered signing with the Dodgers out of high school. The Cubs, with Jake Arrieta’s pending
    free agency and huge raises coming for their position players, covet Otani. San Diego has
    spent as much time as any team aside from the Texas Rangers pursuing relationships with
    Otani and trying to strengthen its Japanese pipeline. The Astros have sent a delegation of
    officials to Japan and, like every other team, cannot conceive of having what one scout calls
    “one of the five best pitchers in the world” for such a bargain.

    The process for Otani to come to MLB would work as follows: First, the league and Nippon
    Professional Baseball need to agree on a new posting system, according to sources. While the
    current version caps the posting fee paid to the Japanese team at $20 million, the sides
    continue to negotiate new terms and are expected to settle on a new deal before November,
    sources said. The fee is likely to remain flat, allowing Otani to shop for his preferred team, as
    opposed to the past, when it was part of a blind bidding and handcuffed the player to the
    major league team that bid the most.

    Once Nippon Ham posts Otani – something to which they’ve agreed already, according to the
    Japanese reports – he will have a window during which he can choose his new team. The
    international money will be treated as a signing bonus, and Otani – who in the world’s second-
    best league last season posted a 1.86 ERA, struck out 174 in 140 innings and hit
    .322/.416/.588 with 27 home runs – will sign a minor league contract.






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    So this stupid cap could have potentially deprived us of ever seeing Otani in MLB (if he got injured in the next two years).

    I'd really like to see that nonsense scrapped.
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    I really hope we can convince him to sign here.

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    Dodger or Yankee.

    Hopefully Dodger so he doesn't destroy us for next decade plus. You would see the intrigue of an AL Team so he could DH though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonn View Post
    Dodger or Yankee.

    Hopefully Dodger so he doesn't destroy us for next decade plus. You would see the intrigue of an AL Team so he could DH though.
    Aren't the Dodgers over their bonus pool restricting them from signing him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THANOS View Post
    Aren't the Dodgers over their bonus pool restricting them from signing him?
    Yes, they're restricted to a maximum of a $300k bonus for any one international player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonn View Post
    Dodger or Yankee.

    Hopefully Dodger so he doesn't destroy us for next decade plus. You would see the intrigue of an AL Team so he could DH though.
    I thought too that an AL team would make more sense since then he can DH more often, but on the flipside, an AL team would have to give up the DH in games he starts, which might suck for them late-game. A lot of it I think will come down to whichever team is able and willing to give him the most play-time as a batter, so it won't necessarily be whichever team has the most international cap room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthe4th View Post
    Yes, they're restricted to a maximum of a $300k bonus for any one international player.
    How much room do we have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THANOS View Post
    How much room do we have?
    It's a $4.75 million total pool for us. We can trade to obtain up to 75% more though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthe4th View Post
    It's a $4.75 million total pool for us. We can trade to obtain up to 75% more though.
    Spent $3.475 million of it on Eric Pardinho, Miguel Hiraldo, and 2 other IFA's. This is not counting the unreported amounts we spent on 12 other IFAs on top of that. So not much to work with unless we trade for bonus pool money.

    Also this little tidbit is interesting:

    Only eight clubs as of now have the ability to give a signing bonus of more than $1 million through next June: Texas ($3,535,000), the New York Yankees ($3.25 million), Pittsburgh ($2,266,750), Minnesota ($1,895,000), Arizona ($1,867,500), Miami ($1.74 million), Detroit ($1,072,000) and Seattle ($1,057,500).

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    Remember when the Jays signed Darvish and BJMB exploded?

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    Hoping the fact that he can apparently hit really well will make him want to play in the National League

    Cause fuck the Red Sox and Yankees

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcanuck View Post
    Remember when the Jays signed Darvish and BJMB exploded?
    Man it wasn't just the BJMB it was the media to. There was a Leafs game on that night and all the attention was on the Jays. It was a great night until we didn't sign him haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by baseballsss View Post
    Man it wasn't just the BJMB it was the media to. There was a Leafs game on that night and all the attention was on the Jays. It was a great night until we didn't sign him haha
    Who was that Fishercats (?) reporter who tweeted, in no uncertain wording, that the Jays were the winning bid?

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    If he is expecting to get alot of ABs why would he go to the National league? He would only get to hit once every 5 days and a couple of times pinch hitting in between.
    In the American league, he could pitch every 5 days and DH or pinch hit the rest of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisS View Post
    If he is expecting to get alot of ABs why would he go to the National league? He would only get to hit once every 5 days and a couple of times pinch hitting in between.
    In the American league, he could pitch every 5 days and DH or pinch hit the rest of the time.
    I've always wanted to see a guy good enough to do this because it would be so cool, but really do you think a good AL team would really use him to DH and especially make some sort of commitment to him to do so? I just can't see it.

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