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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanky99 View Post
    Stroman loves Toronto, and hinted on social media in early November(4th?), he'd like to explore an extension.
    Doesnt surprise me, but what would an extension look like for him? He has what, 3 years of control left? If we offered 6-7 years, could we get him for less than 20mill AAV?

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    I would never sign a pitcher to a contract extension when we have 3 years of control still left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    I would never sign a pitcher to a contract extension when we have 3 years of control still left.
    It is risky, but if it means we could extend him for 6 years 100 million instead of waiting two
    more years and extending him for closer to 30mill per year, Id consider it. Id risk it with Stroman, but would wait it out with someone like Sanchez because of the blister. Id want to see a huge bounce back next year before Id even entertain the idea of extending him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cbert View Post
    Doesn’t surprise me, but what would an extension look like for him? He has what, 3 years of control left? If we offered 6-7 years, could we get him for less than 20mill AAV?
    No doubt, as said it's risky with arms. Somewhere in the 16-18M range. I'd be open to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cbert View Post
    It is risky, but if it means we could extend him for 6 years 100 million instead of waiting two
    more years and extending him for closer to 30mill per year, I’d consider it. I’d risk it with Stroman, but would wait it out with someone like Sanchez because of the blister. I’d want to see a huge bounce back next year before I’d even entertain the idea of extending him.
    Sanchez wouldn't talk extension, not with Scotty as his agent...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanky99 View Post
    Sanchez wouldn't talk extension, not with Scotty as his agent...
    Ha yeah, thats the other reason why I wouldnt waste my time talking with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    I would never sign a pitcher to a contract extension when we have 3 years of control still left.
    This is also how you never end up with Chris Archer type deals. There's a lot of risk and a lot of reward, you just gotta determine which one has more weight towards the future.
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    Synder is mediocre at best this year. Let me know when Synder is giving up less runs per game than Sanchez, until then I'll take Sanchez

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orgfiller View Post
    This is also how you never end up with Chris Archer type deals. There's a lot of risk and a lot of reward, you just gotta determine which one has more weight towards the future.
    Well if Stroman would sign for 6 years and 25M with 2 team options (LOL) then ya I would do that. I don't think any SP will ever sign a deal like Archer's ever again though.

    There's actually no risk if Stroman wants to sign an Archer deal. But I think when we talk about realistic extensions for SPs, we're talking minimum 80-100M total nowadays.

    If you just use up every young SP you have and then trade them for Dustin Fowler, Kaprelian, Mateo over and over again you probably come out ahead in the long run IMO.

    I like the Astros/Cubs style of loading up on as many position players as possible and then finding SPs somewhere. If you look at all their SPs, none have been extended or signed for big deals except Lester. You got Arrieta, Hendricks, Lackey, McCullers, Keuchel, McHugh, Morton and finally Verlander (modest trade) and Lester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orgfiller View Post
    This is also how you never end up with Chris Archer type deals. There's a lot of risk and a lot of reward, you just gotta determine which one has more weight towards the future.
    That's exactly whom I thought of.
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    Hopefully this is all media guessing.For me Stroman is the last one Id think of trading.
    For those saying he is overrated,Yeah! Right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polar bear View Post
    Hopefully this is all media guessing.For me Stroman is the last one Id think of trading.
    For those saying he is overrated,Yeah! Right.
    Are there people saying he's overrated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by polar bear View Post
    Hopefully this is all media guessing.For me Stroman is the last one Id think of trading.
    For those saying he is overrated,Yeah! Right.
    Who's said he was over-rated? Oh... D52/bill/gbill/clevelandsteamer/shart amongst many other monikers, he doesn't count, that's bait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cbert View Post
    It is risky, but if it means we could extend him for 6 years 100 million instead of waiting two
    more years and extending him for closer to 30mill per year, I’d consider it. I’d risk it with Stroman, but would wait it out with someone like Sanchez because of the blister. I’d want to see a huge bounce back next year before I’d even entertain the idea of extending him.
    Stroman is not a 30 million per year pitcher by a long stretch so it's not really worth worrying about
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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Havok View Post
    Stroman is not a 30 million per year pitcher by a long stretch so it's not really worth worrying about
    he might not be worth 30, but he's worth more than Santana and he got 20 mil per year for 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saskjayfan View Post
    he might not be worth 30, but he's worth more than Santana and he got 20 mil per year for 3 years.
    Buying out controlled years gets you a rebate, man. Smarten up, all y'all..
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    Carlos Martinez last year bought out 3 years of arbitration plus 2 more at $3.5, four years of $11.5 and two team options at $17m and $18m

    Ignore the $3.5 first year as Carlos was not a Super 2. Wouldn't 4 years $54M with a $20M option be fair.
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