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    I'm really curious to find out what the Jays offered for Yelich. It might be really dissapointing to find out the
    Jays had a better deal, but got rejected anyway just cause they wouldn't offer Vladito.
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    Damn, they asked for Vlad, then settled for much less with another team. That sucks. A package centered around Alford for Yelich would have been incredible.

    The Marlins gon be the Marlins, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glory View Post
    Damn, they asked for Vlad, then settled for much less with another team. That sucks. A package centered around Alford for Yelich would have been incredible.

    The Marlins gon be the Marlins, though.
    To be fair the return they got for Yelich isn't little, certainly much better than their other recent deals. They asked for Vlad hoping the Jays would be foolish or desperate enough to accept, but I'm sure they valued this deal highly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orgfiller View Post
    To be fair the return they got for Yelich isn't little, certainly much better than their other recent deals. They asked for Vlad hoping the Jays would be foolish or desperate enough to accept, but I'm sure they valued this deal highly.

    Yes, FG put FV grades of 60, 55 and 50 on Brinson, Harrison and Diaz (40 on Yamamoto). The top 3 are arguably top 100 prospects. I'm just not a personal fan of them but the Marlins have stocked the pond...a bit but they don't even have anyone looking like they are a big fish moving up. It's like they will have a team of average regulars for the next 5 years. Then again they weren't winning with the best OF in baseball
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonn View Post
    I don't even understand the rationale behind this. Vlad Jr is a mega prospect and what the Brewers gave up doesn't even compare to the value of a Vlad Jr yet that was the expectation. Its baffling to me. Sounds like the Marlins decided to be petty. I'm just glad our front office went hard after Yellich and were willing to eat money to make it happen.
    I don’t think it’s really hard to understand: they like the Milwaukee guys enough that the only package Toronto could offer that would beat it would be Vlad
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTS View Post
    I don’t think it’s really hard to understand: they like the Milwaukee guys enough that the only package Toronto could offer that would beat it would be Vlad
    Based on other reports (them apparently asking for Bo AND Vlad earlier), it's also possible that they really don't like Bo or Alford. That might have had more to do with it than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abomination View Post
    Based on other reports (them apparently asking for Bo AND Vlad earlier), it's also possible that they really don't like Bo or Alford. That might have had more to do with it than anything else.
    Yeah, then not liking Bo or Alford much explains what we’ve heard about the Ozuna and Yelich negotiations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTS View Post
    I don’t think it’s really hard to understand: they like the Milwaukee guys enough that the only package Toronto could offer that would beat it would be Vlad
    Yeah, the Marlins clearly target certain players regardless of how they are ranked, based on the Ozuna trade.

    Interesting nonetheless to see the Jays were right there. I wonder what their offer was.

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    I wonder who the salary coming back would have been? Would we have eaten that ugly Chen contract?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick_Pole View Post
    1. But all of those players did make the HOF, so they weren't snubbed. A few assholes voting a certain way doesn't make it systemic.

    2. A lot of those events are from many years ago.

    3. The most recent example, Raines, could be explained by other events. Him playing the bulk of his career in Montreal. The position he played being disadvantaged by voters. Lofton and Edmonds were both similar but slightly inferior players who were immediately jettisoned from the vote but both have superior WAR to McGriff who is hanging around. So there were other factors at play that make the situation not so clear and not related to race. I guess you could make a case for power numbers being favoured over speed and defense, which would disadvantage a greater proportion of black athletes versus white, but then you'd have to show that's specifically racist as opposed to baseball analysts just beginning to understand how players contribute to winning games.

    4. I think you are cherry picking a few examples, exacerbated by your anecdote about hating Chipper Jones. Mussina is obviously a very big snub so far. We have to look at all possible factors why. Are voters punishing him because of the perceived disrespect to World Series winning manager Cito Gaston at the ASG 25 years ago? Is that considered playing the game the wrong way? If Mussina was black would you be using him as an example?
    I am talking about voters who informed the public that they did not vote for a certain individual citing the "Character clause". The BBWAA cherry pick certain ones...in the same way that you and I are cherry picking for our arguments. Only 2 of the 3 are pedantic fucks though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonn View Post
    I don't even understand the rationale behind this. Vlad Jr is a mega prospect and what the Brewers gave up doesn't even compare to the value of a Vlad Jr yet that was the expectation. Its baffling to me. Sounds like the Marlins decided to be petty. I'm just glad our front office went hard after Yellich and were willing to eat money to make it happen.
    Is what it is... Vlad was never there, friend-o!
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    If Shatkins was after Yelich even after acquiring Grichuk and Grandy, then maybe Pillar actually is available. I didn't think the Jays would actually trade him this winter, but if they somehow got Yelich, then we probably would have seen a Yelich/Grichuk/Granderson OF, unless they flipped Grichuk in that deal or a separate deal, which wouldn't make sense since Atkins was slobbering all over him in interviews and he seems to fit what the front office looks for in hitters. Pillar obviously doesn't.

    To me KP is a ticking time bomb. Dude's value is going to plummet one of these years and I'd rather it not be in a Jays uniform. Sell high dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glory View Post
    If Shatkins was after Yelich even after acquiring Grichuk and Grandy, then maybe Pillar actually is available. I didn't think the Jays would actually trade him this winter, but if they somehow got Yelich, then we probably would have seen a Yelich/Grichuk/Granderson OF, unless they flipped Grichuk in that deal or a separate deal, which wouldn't make sense since Atkins was slobbering all over him in interviews and he seems to fit what the front office looks for in hitters. Pillar obviously doesn't.

    To me KP is a ticking time bomb. Dude's value is going to plummet one of these years and I'd rather it not be in a Jays uniform. Sell high dammit.
    Agreed. And you and I are always right, mate!
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    This isn't the first time a team wouldn't touch the Jays prospect outside of Vlad and Bo in the last couple years isn't it? whats going on?

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