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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonn View Post
    Lots of good fat hitters have carved out great careers, like carving a roast.

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    kinda looks like an older Mark Buehrle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krylian View Post
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    i lol'ed

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    some good short term signings suggested in the other thread, but this looks like it fits more here. How do the Jays be half-ass competitive this year on their 20M budget.

    Trade for Yelich (weather its Bo + change, or Alford, Warmouth, Greene as a steal), Sign Grandy for 1/7, Sign Dickey for 1/6

    Hitting;
    LF - C. Yelich
    3B - J. Donaldson
    1B - J. Smoak
    RF - C. Granderson
    SS - T. Tulowitzki
    DH - K. Morales
    C - R. Martin
    2B - D. Travis
    CF - K. Pillar

    BN - A. Diaz
    BN - Y. Solarte
    BN - S. Pearce
    BN - L. Maile

    Minors Depth;
    OF; T. Hernandez, D. Pompey, D. Smith, E. Carrera (can he be sent down?), Alford (if not traded)
    IF; R. Urena, R. Tellez,
    C; D. Jansen, R. McGuire

    Comments;
    - Good MLB IF depth, decent MiLB OF depth (but not high upside other than Alford)
    - Lack of OF depth on the MLB roster with Pearce off the bench. CF could be covered by Yelich for in-game injuries or single off days for Pillar (who usually plays like 95% of games anyway).
    - Would ideally lose one of Morales or Pearce
    - Not a bad top of the line-up actually.

    Pitching;

    SP - M. Stroman
    SP - A. Sanchez
    SP - J. Happ
    SP - M. Estrada
    SP - R. Dickey

    CP - R. Osuna
    SU - J. Biagini
    SU - R. Tepera
    MRP - D. Leone
    MRP - D. Barnes
    LRP - A. Loup
    LRP - C. Ramirez (a rotation)

    Minors Depth;
    R. Borucki, uhhh, C. Greene or Reid-Foley if they figure shit out?

    Comments; Extreme lack of depth pitching in BP and the rotation. Would have to add depth and pray.

    All in all its a team that should be able to win enough games to at least compete for a low-end playoff spot. Has lots of vets you can try and dish off at the deadline if it looks like you don't have a REALLY GOOD CHANCE to make the playoffs.
    Trade; Donaldson, Granderson, Pearce, Happ, Estrada, Dickey
    Take Offers on; Osuna, Smoak, Pillar
    Try (and likely fail) to move; the old guys; Tulo, Martin, Morales

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    Dunno why we wouldn't just stick Pearce in DH instead of Morales if we want to half compete. Probably a 3 WAR upgrade we'd just have sitting on the bench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
    Dunno why we wouldn't just stick Pearce in DH instead of Morales if we want to half compete. Probably a 3 WAR upgrade we'd just have sitting on the bench.
    He's on the team, so you could make the swap. I just don't see Gibby doing it, so I put Morales in the lineup.

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    I think Teoscar Hernandez is underrated here. The OBP might not be there but he's got enough pop, defense and baserunning to be an average regular. At worst he's a solid backup. He's also old enough that he deserves his shot now. I think given all the needs we have he's probably penciled in as a starter. Not sure Shatkins signs two starting OFers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    I think Teoscar Hernandez is underrated here. The OBP might not be there but he's got enough pop, defense and baserunning to be an average regular. At worst he's a solid backup. He's also old enough that he deserves his shot now. I think given all the needs we have he's probably penciled in as a starter. Not sure Shatkins signs two starting OFers.
    I've just been assuming that it's his job to lose barring some no-brainer trade or some bargain OF signings. I figured the goal for the OF this offseason has been to sign/acquire one solid corner bat in addition to addressing IF depth (done) and SP/bullpen (not done yet). Teoscar will probably slot into whichever corner the new OF doesn't play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    I think Teoscar Hernandez is underrated here. The OBP might not be there but he's got enough pop, defense and baserunning to be an average regular. At worst he's a solid backup. He's also old enough that he deserves his shot now. I think given all the needs we have he's probably penciled in as a starter. Not sure Shatkins signs two starting OFers.
    I agree and while I love the idea of trading for Yelich - while also thinking Grandy would be a solid fit - I can't see us doing both. How worried are we that Happ and Estrada leave after this season? If our 5th starter signing is another stop gap, we could be looking at a rotation with only Stro + Sanchez, with youngsters Borucki, SRF, etc. hopefully knocking at the door. Giving a starting OF position to Teoscar (or Alford really) and using the extra cash to lock up someone like Lynn to a 3 year deal would provide more stability moving forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    I agree and while I love the idea of trading for Yelich - while also thinking Grandy would be a solid fit - I can't see us doing both. How worried are we that Happ and Estrada leave after this season? If our 5th starter signing is another stop gap, we could be looking at a rotation with only Stro + Sanchez, with youngsters Borucki, SRF, etc. hopefully knocking at the door. Giving a starting OF position to Teoscar (or Alford really) and using the extra cash to lock up someone like Lynn to a 3 year deal would provide more stability moving forward.
    I don't have anything against Lynn, just more of an odds thing. I don't think we are going to compete in 2019 and 2020. With Donaldson gone our lineup looks like shit. Why lock up a SP for those years? Yelich at 5 more years is still around when you hope Vlad Jr and Bo are ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z3r0s View Post
    I don't have anything against Lynn, just more of an odds thing. I don't think we are going to compete in 2019 and 2020. With Donaldson gone our lineup looks like shit. Why lock up a SP for those years? Yelich at 5 more years is still around when you hope Vlad Jr and Bo are ready.
    I guess that's fair. My rebuttal would be he's a better asset for us. If he returns to his 3+ WAR form, he'll be a pretty valuable piece either way - and someone has to pitch for us in 2019 + 2020. Also, Lynn + Teaoscar is probably >> than Grandy + Dickey in 2018, plus it gives us the opportunity to see if Teaoscar is going to be an everyday player that could help the team in 2020-2022.

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    Would you guys do Osuna + Bo for Yelich?

    Or is that too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    I guess that's fair. My rebuttal would be he's a better asset for us. If he returns to his 3+ WAR form, he'll be a pretty valuable piece either way - and someone has to pitch for us in 2019 + 2020. Also, Lynn + Teaoscar is probably >> than Grandy + Dickey in 2018, plus it gives us the opportunity to see if Teaoscar is going to be an everyday player that could help the team in 2020-2022.
    I guess it depends what you think Lynn will get. If Lynn turns back into a 3 WAR player he will probably be about as valuable as Grandy + Dickey. Probably not a ton of value or money difference either way. I guess it depends if you prefer term or not term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z3r0s View Post
    I guess it depends what you think Lynn will get. If Lynn turns back into a 3 WAR player he will probably be about as valuable as Grandy + Dickey. Probably not a ton of value or money difference either way. I guess it depends if you prefer term or not term.
    Don't forget to add in Teoscar's value in there. Even with a wRC+ of 95-100, he could put up 2.5 WAR season based on BsR + Def.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AledmysDiaz View Post
    Would you guys do Osuna + Bo for Yelich?

    Or is that too much.
    If they trade Osuna you might as well keep Bo. Moving Osuna is the first or second domino to fall if a rebuild begins. I'd rather keep Bo + the prospects for Osuna than move them both for Yelich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    Don't forget to add in Teoscar's value in there. Even with a wRC+ of 95-100, he could put up 2.5 WAR season based on BsR + Def.
    I didn't! lol, I don't think he'll be worth much of anything next year. Hope I'm pleasantly surprised. We'll get a good look at him next year regardless as he's at the top of the depth chart with Alford.

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