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Thread: Joe Biagini - Starter or Reliever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    4.23 xFIP last year as a starter. He wasn't that much better as a reliever. Put him in AAA as starting depth.
    If you do that he'll be asking for a trade

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krylian View Post
    If you do that he'll be asking for a trade
    Ha! Who cares. He's Joe Biagini. And when he's starting in the rotation in mid April it won't matter anyway.

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    He's a swingman. Right now, he's the 5th starter. If the team gets a better starter, he moves to the pen until someone gets hurt, at which point he goes back to the rotation.
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    Let him start the season as a reliever, and then let him start during blister season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTS View Post
    He's a swingman. Right now, he's the 5th starter. If the team gets a better starter, he moves to the pen until someone gets hurt, at which point he goes back to the rotation.
    *at which point he goes to the Buffalo rotation for 3-4 starts and then goes back to the MLB rotation where he's on an innings limit to start. In the meantime Ryan Borucki burns an option to get lit up for 2 games and Mat Latos makes the other two starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    *at which point he goes to the Buffalo rotation for 3-4 starts and then goes back to the MLB rotation where he's on an innings limit to start. In the meantime Ryan Borucki burns an option to get lit up for 2 games and Mat Latos makes the other two starts.
    Nah, just do the Erasmo Ramirez and throw him right into the rotation if he needs to be stretched out. Who cares if you get 2-3 innings in his first couple starts and it has to be a bullpen game?
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    With the prices of relief pitchers this offseason, I kind of feel like getting a similar relief arm to Biagini may cost more than resigning someone like Anderson or Liriano to start, and probably with similar results. Might as well stick him in the pen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTS View Post
    Nah, just do the Erasmo Ramirez and throw him right into the rotation if he needs to be stretched out. Who cares if you get 2-3 innings in his first couple starts and it has to be a bullpen game?
    Yeah that might work. Although they didn't do that with him last year for some reason.

    I guess I'm assuming that switching him from bullpen to rotation adversely affects him but that's not necessarily true. It may not have last year, just looking at xFIP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTS View Post
    Nah, just do the Erasmo Ramirez and throw him right into the rotation if he needs to be stretched out. Who cares if you get 2-3 innings in his first couple starts and it has to be a bullpen game?
    Could have someone like Tepera piggyback in that scenario and wind up with a solid start on aggregate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTS View Post
    Nah, just do the Erasmo Ramirez and throw him right into the rotation if he needs to be stretched out. Who cares if you get 2-3 innings in his first couple starts and it has to be a bullpen game?
    Isn't this what they did with him last year anyway (Biagini)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJH View Post
    Isn't this what they did with him last year anyway (Biagini)?
    The first time he went from RP to SP they did that, the second time they sent him back to Buffalo.

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    Wow this forum is really down on Biagini. 4.11 Xfip same as the second best pitching FA on the open market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AledmysDiaz View Post
    Wow this forum is really down on Biagini. 4.11 Xfip same as the second best pitching FA on the open market.
    There's no point in continually bringing up that xFIP and trying to extrapolate it over a full season of starting. First of all, there's no point using a blended DIPS of his starting and relieving and assuming it will hold steady. Moreover, his HR spiked when he started being used as a starter. You can assume that's a blip in HR rate that will regress, but I'd say it's more likely that his stuff plays down over longer outings, his sinker flattens out, and his lack of secondary offerings means he gets hammered in subsequent trips through the lineup. Joe Biagini is not a 4.11 xFIP starter, and certainly not across 200 innings, so please drop that narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AledmysDiaz View Post
    Wow this forum is really down on Biagini. 4.11 Xfip same as the second best pitching FA on the open market.
    Just means the FA pitching market is hot garbage.

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    I don't think he really stands out as a reliever. Lack of big K rate in the pen kind of hurts the late inning ability. Would be more of a multi-inning 6th/7th guy. I would keep trying him as a SP because he doesn't have pronounced splits. Actually, he seems to have reverse splits.

    Career: 15.7% K-BB% and 3.51 FIP vs. LHB

    How hard is it to learn a slider, everyone has a slider. Come on Joe.

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    Someone will have to be the 5th starter and it may as well be him. Granted, I t’s all moot until they find a number 1 guy anyway.

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