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Thread: Teoscar Hernandez is a mirage

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    Quote Originally Posted by tercet View Post
    Do you take pride in trolling me every single post and being a moron?
    Look in the mirror, gimp, you troll the forum. Do you look at the obvious changes in batted ball on heat maps, if you actually looked into said player you'd realize?

    Anyhow this is old hat, shalom!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanky99 View Post
    Look in the mirror, gimp, you troll the forum. Do you look at the obvious changes in batted ball on heat maps, if you actually looked into said player you'd realize?

    Anyhow this is old hat, shalom!
    I'm not sure if you know what this symbol "?" is actually meant for but i digress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanky99 View Post
    Look in the mirror, gimp, you troll the forum. Do you look at the obvious changes in batted ball on heat maps, if you actually looked into said player you'd realize?

    Anyhow this is old hat, shalom!
    Yeah I gotta go with Spank on this one. Tercet trolls with the best of them (not that I care, his betting habits are amusing enough) but when he gets some egg on his face he then says everyone is trolling him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jb22 View Post
    I'm not sure if you know what this symbol "?" is actually meant for but i digress?
    Hot take!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tercet View Post
    You have a semi valid argument, but your sticking your head in the sand and avoiding the major red flags bb/k/swstr. Just assuming someone will overcome these stats because he is "young" is what you and many people are guilty of. I was too back 10 yrs ago.. (Ruiz, Arencibia, Emaus, Mills, Rzep, Snider, etc)
    You do know xwOBA takes into account BB/K rates? If you hit the ball as hard as he does and with the right launch angle then he can be successful with a bad BB/K ratio which is what the leader board shows. I'd rather have a guy who mashes and strikes out than some slap hitting Ben Revere.

    Lets not compare him him to Randy Ruiz and JPA FFS... Maybe he's taking PEDs and that's why hard hit rate is so high but his swing looks really good anecdotally. He's able to drive the inside fastball to dead centre which is really tough to do.

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    Tee Oscar's ranks, out of all qualified hitters:

    K% (lowest to highest; good to bad)
    123/168
    BB% (highest to lowest; good to bad)
    121/168
    SwStr% (lowest to highest; good to bad)
    161/168

    How much do these things matter? I summed z-scored for those three stats for all qualified hitters, with the bigger positive sum meaning that the player has a worse cumulative z-score. Here is the top 30 (the worst 30 at these things). Obviously this is stupid because using SwStr and K% mostly just double counts the one skill....

    5.58 Lewis Brinson
    5.12 Joey Gallo
    4.71 Carlos Gomez
    4.48 Javier Baez
    4.04 Ian Desmond
    3.98 Rafael Devers
    3.97 Michael A. Taylor
    3.86 JaCoby Jones
    3.68 Chris Davis
    3.65 Yoenis Cespedes
    3.64 Kole Calhoun
    3.53 Matt Olson
    3.43 Scott Kingery
    3.41 Giancarlo Stanton
    3.30 Amed Rosario
    3.23 Brandon Crawford
    3.11 Matt Kemp
    3.03 Khris Davis
    2.90 Teoscar Hernandez (19th)
    2.79 Adam Jones
    2.75 J.D. Martinez
    2.67 Domingo Santana
    2.66 Yoan Moncada
    2.62 Marcell Ozuna
    2.59 Eddie Rosario
    2.53 Nicholas Castellanos
    2.44 Derek Dietrich
    2.43 Cody Bellinger
    2.17 Paul DeJong
    2.12 Justin Upton

    It's hard to really glean much from the list and Teoscar's placement on it. Some of the players are good most years because they simply crush baseballs. Some or good but not consistently, because of whiff issues and lack of walks. Some just are not good. I think the context is worth noting though. Guys like Castellanos and Eddie Rosario are decent players but really just average(ish) regulars, not stars. Teoscar needs to continue hitting the ball really hard to be a good regular, because the defense doesn't seem like an asset and it's hard to imagine the K and BB skills really improving significantly. The good news is that his hard hit rates have been elite in 2017 and 2018 so the JD Martinez ceiling is definitely achievable.

    For fun, here are the "best" 20 from the z-scores, in reverse order. Most of these players are good or great, but a few of them aren't. The holy trinity of hitting really is Walks, Whiffs, and Barrels. Some day Vlad Jr. will be the kind of that game.

    -2.70 Bryce Harper
    -2.75 Buster Posey
    -2.86 Freddie Freeman
    -2.86 Justin Bour
    -2.89 Ketel Marte
    -2.99 DJ LeMahieu
    -3.14 Carlos Santana
    -3.20 Michael Brantley
    -3.25 Brett Gardner
    -3.27 Jose Martinez
    -3.46 Mookie Betts
    -3.68 Joey Votto
    -3.93 Jesse Winker
    -4.18 Nick Markakis
    -4.35 Mike Trout
    -4.39 Andrelton Simmons
    -4.47 Denard Span
    -4.66 Alex Bregman
    -4.75 Jose Ramirez
    -4.82 Joe Mauer

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    Quote Originally Posted by tercet View Post
    Sorry everyone I couldn't be here instantly to debate, was out picking up my first new car (finally no more ttc!).

    But anyways, Teoscar beat up on a bad pitcher, congrats. I guess no one noticed how terrible he has been for the last 3~ weeks. I guess this will be the pattern of this thread for the next couple months.
    Congrats dude! It feels awesome to be able to go anywhere you want, whenever you want.
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    Can't wait to meet the new Matt Olson(s)!

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    Hardest hitting team in MLB... I expect probably the softest throwing too

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    TIL... Mike Petriello reads this forum, or is Burlington Bandit.

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    May - 221/250/412 - 662, 2.9 %BB, 27.9 %K

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    Quote Originally Posted by burlingtonbandit View Post
    You do know xwOBA takes into account BB/K rates? If you hit the ball as hard as he does and with the right launch angle then he can be successful with a bad BB/K ratio which is what the leader board shows. I'd rather have a guy who mashes and strikes out than some slap hitting Ben Revere.

    Lets not compare him him to Randy Ruiz and JPA FFS... Maybe he's taking PEDs and that's why hard hit rate is so high but his swing looks really good anecdotally. He's able to drive the inside fastball to dead centre which is really tough to do.
    He can hit it hard when it hits it, but the odds are he won't hit it enough over the long run in the majors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tercet View Post
    He can hit it hard when it hits it, but the odds are he won't hit it enough over the long run in the majors.

    No shit fuckeyes, wait until 162, we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tercet View Post
    May - 221/250/412 - 662, 2.9 %BB, 27.9 %K
    You're like my dummy friend, "It's not the money, it's the gamble" , guy was nutz!

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    Did I ever mention that Teosacar isn't a good hitter?

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