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Maybe I missed something but hasn't Betts been a gold glove level RFer? Why would you take that away to fill 2B?

Braves being in makes total sense. They have so many tradeable contracts that they'd have 0 issues making room if Ohtani wants to go there.

I understand Soto has already turned down 440M but he was coming off an amazing season. He has had 1.5 down seasons for his standards so one more season like that and he'd probably get the same 440M...

If his arms done as a pitcher then he probably wouldn't have much left to throw from the OF I'm guessing? Hard to make that comment without having any history of this lol.

I can't believe I'm sounding like Shatkins here and talking about cost control for sustainable winning lol. While I like the Kawhi comparison, 1 guy in basketball can change your teams entire...

Weren't there pages of people trying to make fun of AA lol

You're assuming Manoah is done while I think he can easily bounce back to be a top of the rotation guy at a super cheap price for many years to come. We need guys like Manoah to pan out so we can...

I would not trade Manoah + for a single year of Soto. Any Soto deal needs to come with an extension or screw him. Go spend those prospects for someone who will be here for multi years.

Exactly... by that logic, we need to get rid of the entire team. Springer's not old enough for me to expect him to fall off a cliff yet. I'd wager he bounces back based on his track history.

Not to mention that he's one of the best defensive RFs in the game so even with his down year offensively, he's still a huge plus overall.

Like sure if you find a younger/cheaper player instead...

So the Jays suck offensively and might move Bo/Springer this offseason... sure lol

Ya I find it hilarious how people here are like if he can't pitch then he'll be a gold glove OFer. No one knows how his OF skills will look in the MLB at whatever age he finally tries it. He's more...

Maybe the front office said screw locking in Bo and Vlad... let's give Ohtani and Soto those contracts while they trade those 2 to fill out the rest of the roster with young controllable talent. ...

I remember being on the edge of my seat when we were going after Springer. Ohtani might get 4 times his contract. Ridiculous to think that lol.

Atkins is in the same position AA was when he went all in during the 2015 season. I wouldn't be shocked to see some desperation moves from them since they could all get canned if they suck in 2024. ...

Just gonna live in fantasy land and assume we get both Ohtani and Soto lol.

DH Ohtani
SS Bo
LF Soto
1B Vlad
RF Springer
CF Varsho
C Kirk/Jansen
3B ?

There is no way we should be trading our best prospects for Soto if it doesn't come with an extension. I believe he said he's hitting free agency regardless so the trade price better reflect a dude...

Even if the Jays don't get him... it's always good to drive up the price so another team has less money to get other players.

I want Ohtani so I'll just be excited to see him in a Jays jersey short term. Based on the contract, I'll probably have different thoughts long term. Hard to give an answer until final details come...

Yup... if we are below .500 with Ohtani, most will give 2 fucks about him and the team. Now if we are good with Ohtani (which we should be projected to be) then its an amazing story.

Dudes 30...

This threads becoming a wet dream and I'm here for it. If we can land a big fish, I'd go nuts.

Still ranking Soto ahead of Ohtani strictly due to us saving enough money to use elsewhere. Soto...

No doubt the Jays look good on paper with Ohtani but we all know games aren't won like that. I was just talking about people who say they won't complain if we get Ohtani lol

Maaannn... you know that's a crock because you'd complain this upcoming season if we still suck. Angels sucked with the same guy AND Trout so it's very possible lol.

0 chance I'd want to give any baseball player 600M... let alone a player who has a chance of just being a DH for most of the contract. This is a type of contract that rarely ever works out and can...

Imagine if we traded Kikuchi afterwards to save some money loll