Around Baseball 2022

[G-Snarls]

Berrios sneaks in there as the only Blue Jay (not even Gausman's insane splitter? Okay Statcast!)...

I really do think Berrios is fixable

[Stangstag]

I really do think Berrios is fixable

He’s such an enigma. Showed flashes of his former self but also flashes of AAAA fodder pitcher. The stuff is still there. Just need him to be a #3 workhorse type guy

[connorp]

He’s such an enigma. Showed flashes of his former self but also flashes of AAAA fodder pitcher. The stuff is still there. Just need him to be a #3 workhorse type guy

Basically that’s the hope. The upside play isn’t looking good. But hopefully he gets back to the 4.00 ERA/FIP SP that gives you value making all his starts.

He’s not scaring anyone getting the ball in the playoffs though. Hopefully RT or something pushes him to #4 in the rotation

[Deadpool]

I really do think Berrios is fixable

I wholeheartedly agree, we're talking about a very consistent starter throughout his career; he should be a very solid #3 based on career numbers, and he's still only 28. 2021 was a really strange outlier for him, by FAR his worst numbers since his rookie season.

[Brownie19]

Basically that’s the hope. The upside play isn’t looking good. But hopefully he gets back to the 4.00 ERA/FIP SP that gives you value making all his starts.

He’s not scaring anyone getting the ball in the playoffs though. Hopefully RT or something pushes him to #4 in the rotation

FFS - he's been a 3.5 - 4 WAR pitcher for 3 of the last 4 seasons. He's entering his age 29 season and collectively, we're in an era where it's far more easy to fix a pitcher than ever before. There's so many obvious reasons to be optimistic about him returning as a very good #2/#3 pitcher who you'd absolutely want starting a playoff game - but oh no, the Grinch here has to spread his negative views on literally everything the Blue Jays do. Obviously there's a possibility you're right and he's a massively overpaid #4/#5 starter for the rest of his career, but that's probability is likely very low at this point.

Perhaps it was better when you stayed in the off topic realm.

[max silver]

I wholeheartedly agree, we're talking about a very consistent starter throughout his career; he should be a very solid #3 based on career numbers, and he's still only 28. 2021 was a really strange outlier for him, by FAR his worst numbers since his rookie season.

Berrios had a very weird season where he performed a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde routine. He made a lot of very good/great starts, but then had a large number of disaster starts which really tanked his overall numbers.

0-3 FIP: 12 starts
3-4 FIP:7 starts
4-5 FIP: 3 starts
5-10 FIP: 3 starts
10+ FIP: 7 starts

So Berrios pitched great in 12 of his 32 starts, very well in 7 starts, mediocre in 3 starts, very poorly in 3 starts, and had 7 absolute disaster starts. He gave his team a great chance to win in 19/32 starts (59%), kept them in the game at the very least in 22/32 starts (69%), and basically gave his team no shot to win in 10/32 of his starts (31%).

[connorp]

FFS - he's been a 3.5 - 4 WAR pitcher for 3 of the last 4 seasons. He's entering his age 29 season and collectively, we're in an era where it's far more easy to fix a pitcher than ever before. There's so many obvious reasons to be optimistic about him returning as a very good #2/#3 pitcher who you'd absolutely want starting a playoff game - but oh no, the Grinch here has to spread his negative views on literally everything the Blue Jays do. Obviously there's a possibility you're right and he's a massively overpaid #4/#5 starter for the rest of his career, but that's probability is likely very low at this point.

Perhaps it was better when you stayed in the off topic realm.

I’m sorry some people can’t make distinctions without getting their panties twisted. I mean if you go into a playoff game and you’re facing a 2.8 FIP guy that was only going for 2 WAR because he missed time being injured, or the 4 WAR/FIP guy that was healthy and steady all-season, why do you care about WAR at that point?

Just because you say someone is best used as a #4 SP doesn’t mean they all have to fit in the same basket. Mark Buehrle was best as a backend guy but gave you dependability to pass on the front end

[connorp]

I would bet Berrios returns closer to career norms than this off-season but that would still make him a not scary pitcher in the post-season. I was always optimistic on Berrios taking the next step, I targeted him in fantasy leagues, but it just didn’t happen. I think he’ll be alright but for a team like the Jays, I’m pessimistic he’ll be the best use of resources

[Laika]

Berrios had a very weird season where he performed a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde routine. He made a lot of very good/great starts, but then had a large number of disaster starts which really tanked his overall numbers.

0-3 FIP: 12 starts
3-4 FIP:7 starts
4-5 FIP: 3 starts
5-10 FIP: 3 starts
10+ FIP: 7 starts

So Berrios pitched great in 12 of his 32 starts, very well in 7 starts, mediocre in 3 starts, very poorly in 3 starts, and had 7 absolute disaster starts. He gave his team a great chance to win in 19/32 starts (59%), kept them in the game at the very least in 22/32 starts (69%), and basically gave his team no shot to win in 10/32 of his starts (31%).

this is what happens when a pitcher is homer prone

[Laika]

FFS - he's been a 3.5 - 4 WAR pitcher for 3 of the last 4 seasons. He's entering his age 29 season and collectively, we're in an era where it's far more easy to fix a pitcher than ever before. There's so many obvious reasons to be optimistic about him returning as a very good #2/#3 pitcher who you'd absolutely want starting a playoff game - but oh no, the Grinch here has to spread his negative views on literally everything the Blue Jays do. Obviously there's a possibility you're right and he's a massively overpaid #4/#5 starter for the rest of his career, but that's probability is likely very low at this point.

Perhaps it was better when you stayed in the off topic realm.

I dunno, did you watch him pitch this year? lol he looked like SHIT like SHIT like big stinky SHIT

[BTS]

[connorp]

I dunno, did you watch him pitch this year? lol he looked like SHIT like SHIT like big stinky SHIT

Well at least you can be objective. I’m not a fan of guys like Biggio, who the team very clearly doesn’t see as an everyday player, to the detriment of everyone here that knows he’s a key piece if he only gets the chance, and suddenly I hate all the Jays and I’m a Grinch lol

[Laika]

Well at least you can be objective. I’m not a fan of guys like Biggio, who the team very clearly doesn’t see as an everyday player, to the detriment of everyone here that knows he’s a key piece if he only gets the chance, and suddenly I hate all the Jays and I’m a Grinch lol

People here used to think that about Biggio. I don't think most consider him a core piece anymore.
He looks like a platoon or bench guy now.

[G-Snarls]

Guessing 2 years ~ 40M

He wanted 3

[G-Snarls]

Austin martin in AA this year:

.241/.367/.316 OPS .683

[Stangstag]

Austin martin in AA this year:

.241/.367/.316 OPS .683

Every player involved in that trade was a disaster in 2022