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    Quote Originally Posted by max silver View Post
    Having somebody blow a start every 5 day goes further than just losing that game. Having your bullpen cover 7 or 8 innings blows up the pen and can really affect the team for the next week. We've seen recently how the blowups by Kikuchi and Berrios have overly taxed the bullpen, and as a knockoff result you end up seeing low leverage pitchers being forced into leverage situations.
    It's not 7 to 8 innings to cover absolutely every start either. Even in his horrible month he's gone 4 innings 3 of 5 times. You could also have a rotating groups of arms from Buffalo where you piggyback an AAA starter with Kikuchi to cover almost the entire game. Castillo up when Kikuchi starts, send him down then call up an arm for the next 4 days. Send them down call up Lawrence for the next Kikuchi start(due to 10 day between option demotion and recall limit you can't call up Castillo again). and him down and so on. You could also use off days to skip Kikuchi starts.

    Obviously it's not ideal, and if he continues to be terrible you want to replace him externally. But given the spot we're in I don't think it's an absolute must, you can replace him internally or if your gap on Cleveland is big enough you can just deal with it because you're 95-98% to be a WC team regardless if the gap on Cleveland is big enough and your 5th starter isn't pitching in the playoffs anyway. Spending an asset to get a rental 5th starter is just punting off an asset to increase your playoff odds by fractions of a percent at that point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    So while it seems like the regular season Blue Jays have a whole bunch of needs, the playoff Blue Jays don't really have as many.
    Still, the problem is what do you give up for it? Do we burn the farm?
    Even Jamie said it on broadcast yesterday when Joe suggested what we need moving forward (starter, couple closers): "empty the system I guess. its a lot to ask".

    RSox, Guardians, Braves, Cardinals, Padres, Mets all are looking to add bullpen depth
    Brewers, Dodgers, Twins all looking to add SP depth
    Only the Yankees, Astros and Giants are happy with just a bat.
    (These are just most important need; I'm sure they have additional secondary needs like RSox needing a first-base bat - so they'll def be going for Josh Bell).

    This isn't accounting for what Rangers, Angels, White Sox, Phillies are all gonna do since they are within reach of the postseason but don't really believe in themselves yet considering the state of affairs.

    Just a lot of competition to get elite players for three spots, especially bullpen
    And if we get above average players (but not elite), then what's the point - we could end up feeling the mediocrity at the wrong time in the season or in the playoffs.
    I still say make the smart moves, but not the aggressive all-in moves. Put yourself in playoff contention but don't destroy the pipeline.
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    It's crazy that Moreno is hitting .324, but his wRC+ is <100

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    I'm not a big Buck guy but I'm genuinely excited that he could potentially return to the booth this year.

    Some of my favorite Jays commentary comes from drunk Buck slurring words. My personal favorite was "Breast Cecil ends the inning with a curveball"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    It's crazy that Moreno is hitting .324, but his wRC+ is <100
    If my memory serves he's only had 1 extra base hit and that should have been a single but he surprised the outfielder and turned it into a double.

    Back 20 years ago when average was the stat along with HR and RBI a .350 hitter was the guy. However If all you're hitting is singles you could walk 10% of the time, never strikeout and if your BABIP is league average(.300) your OPS is going to be a pretty dreadful .670. Good walk rate, incredible K rate, but if you can't hit for power you're going to be a below average hitter.

    That's not to say Moreno will never hit for power, I'm sure it'll come, at least at a passable rate. But it gives an indication you have to have some power to be a reasonable bat these days. Concerns me more with Groshans more than Moreno.

    Ichiro's career wRC+ was 104 and that's obviously with some power. Just a hair under .100 ISO

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCecil View Post
    A SP of value/control will cost the most. Pen arms of value and an upgrade on Tapia should cost less and can offset to a large degree the Kooch and Berrios factors. We need to pray big money and prospects signing Berrios finds it because if he doesn't it's simply a very steep hill to climb for our Jays. Without a pen remotely resembling the Braves pen and their performance in the playoffs last year we are not going anywhere.
    You have to make the post season of course, but once you're there SP 5 doesn't exist and having a few high powered BP arms is critical

    I would prioritize the bullpen at the trade deadline and work on getting Berrios right before trading for a SP...

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    Manoah, Gausman, Berrios (when right) is a strong enough rotation. Stripling as a No. 4 if necessary. You don't need a No. 5 starter or sometimes even a No. 4 depending on scheduling etc. If Berrios though doesn't correct himself, another top starter is needed.

    If the Jays can get a bullpen arm like Andrew Miller was to Cleveland in 2016, that would be the most ideal.
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    Can't wait to have Buck back. Buck and Dan are the best duo the Jays have and I really like listening to them together.
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    but bichette isn't that good rn, he has lots of holes in his swing, be prepared to be dissapointed

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysblue View Post
    Manoah, Gausman, Berrios (when right) is a strong enough rotation. Stripling as a No. 4 if necessary. You don't need a No. 5 starter or sometimes even a No. 4 depending on scheduling etc. If Berrios though doesn't correct himself, another top starter is needed.

    If the Jays can get a bullpen arm like Andrew Miller was to Cleveland in 2016, that would be the most ideal.
    The Indians paid a huge price for Miller back then. Two top 100 prospects. I would move Groshans for a reliever but probably not another top 5 prospect
    Quote Originally Posted by tercet View Post
    but bichette isn't that good rn, he has lots of holes in his swing, be prepared to be dissapointed

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    On July 31, 2016, the Yankees traded Miller to the Cleveland Indians for Clint Frazier, Justus Sheffield, Ben Heller and J. P. Feyereisen

    Is Feyereisen somehow the best of those four names!?

    Did Clint Frazier change his name to Jackson!???

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    Quote Originally Posted by L54 View Post
    Can't wait to have Buck back. Buck and Dan are the best duo the Jays have and I really like listening to them together.
    Same

    Dan makes Buck better

    Doesn't work as well with Tabby

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Snarls View Post
    Same

    Dan makes Buck better

    Doesn't work as well with Tabby
    Nope Tabby sucks. Nice guy I'm sure but doesn't have a lot to offer the broadcast
    Quote Originally Posted by tercet View Post
    but bichette isn't that good rn, he has lots of holes in his swing, be prepared to be dissapointed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laika View Post
    On July 31, 2016, the Yankees traded Miller to the Cleveland Indians for Clint Frazier, Justus Sheffield, Ben Heller and J. P. Feyereisen

    Is Feyereisen somehow the best of those four names!?

    Did Clint Frazier change his name to Jackson!???

    https://www.fangraphs.com/players/cl...ts?position=OF
    The way J. P. Feyereisen was pitching before he got hurt, possibly. Looks like he was for real. Rays found themselves a true keeper in the BP for sure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by L54 View Post
    Nope Tabby sucks. Nice guy I'm sure but doesn't have a lot to offer the broadcast
    Tabby is awful but Dan Shulman has the ability to raise his broadcast partners to the point that he's only semi-terrible. When Pat is placed with Buck the two of them rely so much on tired baseball cliches that it's basically unlistenable.

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