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    I got the feeling the likelihood of Nootbaar's future was not necessarily as good as Janssen's. Either way, I'd still do the trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    highly unlikely we'd get Nootbaar + given he has 3 more years of control.
    There are aspects to value other than years of control. Janssen is a good bet to be a very solid catcher on both sides of the ball, with the caveat that he has been injury prone. Both of those things affect his value more than his years of control do.

    Also, I probably do the trade, but I'd try to move a prospect instead of Cimber, because of where the team is right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    highly unlikely we'd get Nootbaar + given he has 3 more years of control.
    I would be very happy for Nootbaar straight for Jansen. This is good and fair value back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpool View Post
    There are aspects to value other than years of control. Janssen is a good bet to be a very solid catcher on both sides of the ball, with the caveat that he has been injury prone. Both of those things affect his value more than his years of control do.

    Also, I probably do the trade, but I'd try to move a prospect instead of Cimber, because of where the team is right now.
    Yeah I'm good with that. I'm super curious to see if the Cards value Carlson a lot higher than they do Nootbaar. Cards don't really need/want prospects I suspect, but would people oppose to Jansen + Orelvis for Carlson? Maybe Orelvis no longer moves the needle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpool View Post
    There are aspects to value other than years of control. Janssen is a good bet to be a very solid catcher on both sides of the ball, with the caveat that he has been injury prone. Both of those things affect his value more than his years of control do.

    Also, I probably do the trade, but I'd try to move a prospect instead of Cimber, because of where the team is right now.
    yes + Nootbar was kind of a nothing prospect who looked like a bench player until 2022.

    his trade value isn't necessarily going to be as high as, say, a ranked prospect with the same projections + years of control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laika View Post
    yes + Nootbar was kind of a nothing prospect who looked like a bench player until 2022.

    his trade value isn't necessarily going to be as high as, say, a ranked prospect with the same projections + years of control.
    If Nootbaar was not a nothing prospect, nobody would think that Jansen could fetch him. The lack of track record adds a potential sell-high element to the Cardinals. His future outcomes have high variance, but I am a total sucker for someone who is 98 percentile in BB%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious View Post
    If Nootbaar was not a nothing prospect, nobody would think that Jansen could fetch him. The lack of track record adds a potential sell-high element to the Cardinals. His future outcomes have high variance, but I am a total sucker for someone who is 98 percentile in BB%.
    I fucking love him

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    fucking chase and whiff rates are good

    swoooooooooooooooooon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laika View Post
    I fucking love him

    98th BB%
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    Sprint and OAA both good
    fucking chase and whiff rates are good

    swoooooooooooooooooon
    He's kind of like Biggio - but with actual power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    He's kind of like Biggio - but with actual power.
    Its like Biggio and Derek Fisher had a kid. Or Travis Snider with eyes if you prefer that

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    Nootbar is going to disappoint quite a few people here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyNewb View Post
    Nootbar is going to disappoint quite a few people here.
    That is a very real possibility. But this possibility is what might make him available without trading Kirk or Moreno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyNewb View Post
    Nootbar is going to disappoint quite a few people here.
    This is how I feel... the last season and stats argue otherwise, but I think the risk and depth makes sense in a trade of Jano and him. I just don't seem to get a good feeling about it, as yourself. This is just a random fans' tweet anyhow. Doesn't sound like Mozeliak is moving him.
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    This mgmt team went after bounce back and "stats might mean a breakthrough " type players last off-season. If the value is there yhwn I really want them to commit to more proven players this year. More weighted towards the Merrifields vs the Tapias

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    Can nootbar play better cf than springer?
    Id so, I swap Jansen for him. I also would like to keep Cimber and give them some combination of merryweather and richards.
    Leo Jimenez is a guy who Im afraid wont ever hit enough to excite me so Id throw him in some deal If needed.
    I fear Pearson may be in a trade potentially as team seemed much more eager to show him off in aaa and afl than on mlb roster at end of year.
    Could have helped in game 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by wamco View Post
    Can nootbar play better cf than springer?
    I’d so, I swap Jansen for him. I also would like to keep Cimber and give them some combination of merryweather and richards.
    Leo Jimenez is a guy who I’m afraid won’t ever hit enough to excite me so I’d throw him in some deal If needed.
    I fear Pearson may be in a trade potentially as team seemed much more eager to show him off in aaa and afl than on mlb roster at end of year.
    Could have helped in game 2
    No, he probably can't.

    Nootaar was a +7.5 OF in 2022 playing mostly RF. Even if that is his true talent, the assumption based on positional adjustments is that he'd be a -2.5 CF.
    There is also a small sample size there. We don't have a lot of confidence in his defensive true talent.

    Springer is +1.5 in CF in his career and close to 0 in his last two seasons.

    This is the only kind of bad thing with Nootbaar being the solution. Toronto reallllly wants to bring in a slick CF and move George to RF. Nootbaar is not the guy to cause that move. Nootbaar is a good fielding RF though, in all likelihood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laika View Post
    No, he probably can't.

    Nootaar was a +7.5 OF in 2022 playing mostly RF. Even if that is his true talent, the assumption based on positional adjustments is that he'd be a -2.5 CF.
    There is also a small sample size there. We don't have a lot of confidence in his defensive true talent.

    Springer is +1.5 in CF in his career and close to 0 in his last two seasons.

    This is the only kind of bad thing with Nootbaar being the solution. Toronto reallllly wants to bring in a slick CF and move George to RF. Nootbaar is not the guy to cause that move. Nootbaar is a good fielding RF though, in all likelihood.
    Noot + Bellinger/Keirmaier would be nice

    Rotate Springer/Gurriel through the DH spot

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