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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious View Post
    I doubt the Blue Jays target Reynolds. He is not good defensively and they seem to be focusing on players who can improve run prevention.
    I doubt they get him, but they would absolutely love to have him. If Shatkins are worried about run prevention above all else to the point where they're turning down a guy who has averaged 4.1 WAR/year in his 3 full seasons, then they are doing a terrible job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious View Post
    I doubt the Blue Jays target Reynolds. He is not good defensively and they seem to be focusing on players who can improve run prevention.
    Hes not a great CF. But calling him bad defensively in inaccurate. Hes more than capable of playing CF at Rogers Centre. He can play CF next year and shift to LF in 2024 for a better CF. Bottom line if a talent like that is available you go get it. Worry about the rest later. He fills a need in the OF and slots in perfectly in the lineup. Probably as the #2 hitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonn View Post
    He’s not a great CF. But calling him bad defensively in inaccurate. He’s more than capable of playing CF at Rogers Centre. He can play CF next year and shift to LF in 2024 for a better CF. Bottom line if a talent like that is available you go get it. Worry about the rest later. He fills a need in the OF and slots in perfectly in the lineup. Probably as the #2 hitter.
    It's hard to say what Reynolds is defensively. 2021 and 2022 have been opposites for him. Statcast out above average stat has him at the bottom of the barrel for 2022 at 6%. But in 2021 he was one of the best at 98%. He's had good sprint speed and arm strength both years, but his outfield jump took a hit this year.

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    The Outfield Jump rankings have trended down somewhat consistently. Sprint is pretty stable. The OAA in 2022 looks like an aberration.
    But, UZR has never really liked him and DRS agreed with him being terrible in 2022.
    I kind of wonder if he had a leg injury in 2022 or something like that?

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    He turns 28 in January. Some players do start declining at 27/28. Hmmmmmm.

    This is no small thing. His value swings MASSIVELY based on what you think of his defense.

    I think at absolutel best MLB teams would project this guy as an average or fringe CF going forward. So forget about the 6 WAR version of Bryan Reynolds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laika View Post
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    Sprint - Jump - OAA (percentiles)

    2019 75-67-77
    2020 83-31-69
    2021 88-46-98
    2022 75-23-6

    The Outfield Jump rankings have trended down somewhat consistently. Sprint is pretty stable. The OAA in 2022 looks like an aberration.
    But, UZR has never really liked him and DRS agreed with him being terrible in 2022.
    I kind of wonder if he had a leg injury in 2022 or something like that?

    7/10/22 Oblique
    4/26/22 COVID-19
    5/9/21 Lower body
    9/25/19 Hamstring
    7/5/19 hand

    He turns 28 in January. Some players do start declining at 27/28. Hmmmmmm.

    This is no small thing. His value swings MASSIVELY based on what you think of his defense.

    I think at absolutel best MLB teams would project this guy as an average or fringe CF going forward. So forget about the 6 WAR version of Bryan Reynolds.
    Yeah I kinda feel like he won't get traded. Pirates see his value as a 6 WAR player and most other teams likely don't. The price will be astronomical and teams won't be willing to pay.

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    Just a thought: but is it possible that a CF for a bad team can have his defensive statistics be more in flux due to the inconsistent play in front of him? In other words if a CF has a pitching staff that can execute as planned then his jumps and such would be better? And if so, could this be the case here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laika View Post
    REYNOLDS

    Sprint - Jump - OAA (percentiles)

    2019 75-67-77
    2020 83-31-69
    2021 88-46-98
    2022 75-23-6

    The Outfield Jump rankings have trended down somewhat consistently. Sprint is pretty stable. The OAA in 2022 looks like an aberration.
    But, UZR has never really liked him and DRS agreed with him being terrible in 2022.
    I kind of wonder if he had a leg injury in 2022 or something like that?

    7/10/22 Oblique
    4/26/22 COVID-19
    5/9/21 Lower body
    9/25/19 Hamstring
    7/5/19 hand

    He turns 28 in January. Some players do start declining at 27/28. Hmmmmmm.

    This is no small thing. His value swings MASSIVELY based on what you think of his defense.

    I think at absolutel best MLB teams would project this guy as an average or fringe CF going forward. So forget about the 6 WAR version of Bryan Reynolds.
    Aren’t you one of the guys talking about 33yo CF Kiermaier being a sneaky sexy signing

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    Quote Originally Posted by connorp View Post
    Aren’t you one of the guys talking about 33yo CF Kiermaier being a sneaky sexy signing
    Kiermaier can be a good signing based on terms. He still has a couple of 2 WAR seasons in him based on defensive ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by connorp View Post
    Aren’t you one of the guys talking about 33yo CF Kiermaier being a sneaky sexy signing
    My brother in Christ, the answer is the same as it always is. It depends how much he costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious View Post
    Kiermaier can be a good signing based on terms. He still has a couple of 2 WAR seasons in him based on defensive ability.
    It’s a playoff team, don’t need to scrap 2 WAR wherever you can find it. All the incremental gains to get to 2 WAR over a full season don’t mean much when playoffs come and he’s an auto out. That’s if he doesn’t become a neutral defender, which wouldn’t be shocking at 34

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    Quote Originally Posted by connorp View Post
    It’s a playoff team, don’t need to scrap 2 WAR wherever you can find it. All the incremental gains to get to 2 WAR over a full season don’t mean much when playoffs come and he’s an auto out. That’s if he doesn’t become a neutral defender, which wouldn’t be shocking at 34
    Was everybody on the Astros a star?

    Pretty sure they had a few useless players. Gurriel was below replacement level and started all year. Guys like Dubon and Aledmys Diaz suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by connorp View Post
    It’s a playoff team, don’t need to scrap 2 WAR wherever you can find it. All the incremental gains to get to 2 WAR over a full season don’t mean much when playoffs come and he’s an auto out. That’s if he doesn’t become a neutral defender, which wouldn’t be shocking at 34
    Its clear you don't watch the MLB playoffs, because random bad bat guys like Keirmaier become heroes extremely often.

    See: Jeremy Pena, Yuli Gurriel, Harrison Bader, Martin Maldonado, Trent Grisham, etc. And those are just from 2022

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stangstag View Post
    Its clear you don't watch the MLB playoffs, because random bad bat guys like Keirmaier become heroes extremely often.

    See: Jeremy Pena, Yuli Gurriel, Harrison Bader, Martin Maldonado, Trent Grisham, etc. And those are just from 2022
    Joc Pederson, Eddie Rosario, Jorge Solar from 2021. I never understood connorps theory on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie19 View Post
    Joc Pederson, Eddie Rosario, Jorge Solar from 2021. I never understood connorps theory on this.
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