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    Manfred is fucking dumb. Canít wait for the documentary 20 years from now where they discuss how Manfred tinkered and fucked with the ball for a decade

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    I dunno

    Baseball is a technical sport with small margins for error/success

    It has a long history of fuckery

    Mound changes, wilful blindness with steroid use, spitballs, wonky stadiums, the list goes on and on

    really, the ball probably went through massive changes in prior decades but we just didn't have the data to know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laika View Post
    I dunno

    Baseball is a technical sport with small margins for error/success

    It has a long history of fuckery

    Mound changes, wilful blindness with steroid use, spitballs, wonky stadiums, the list goes on and on

    really, the ball probably went through massive changes in prior decades but we just didn't have the data to know
    The difference I think is that with mound changes and stuff the league was super transparent about it.

    Steroids and spitballs you canít really compare because it was individual players cheating/bending the rules, much like using spider tack.

    The ball seems to be frequently changed with no warning and no input from any of the players.

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    I would have said earlier, maybe a shorter spring training might have contributed to the downturn in offensive numbers, though that would have been maybe for the first two or three weeks of the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laika View Post
    I dunno

    Baseball is a technical sport with small margins for error/success

    It has a long history of fuckery

    Mound changes, wilful blindness with steroid use, spitballs, wonky stadiums, the list goes on and on

    really, the ball probably went through massive changes in prior decades but we just didn't have the data to know
    87 to 88 was a huge change. Similar to this with guys collapsing out of no where. Bell, Moseby and Barfield showed up at 28 years old and weren't the same guys any more. Bell was top 5 in MVP in 89, but with an crafty 18 homer 'clutch' hitting season... that's a lot of different than the 47 homer monster who won an RBI Juan Gonzales type MVP in 1987.

    Then 93 to 94 was a huge change the other way, but maybe that was gradual from 92-94 with steroids becoming popular. Though 94 was weird with several guys becoming Babe Ruth/Ted Williams when no one had every seen that in 50 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysblue View Post
    I would have said earlier, maybe a shorter spring training might have contributed to the downturn in offensive numbers, though that would have been maybe for the first two or three weeks of the season.
    I would've guessed a shorter spring training would have a greater impact on pitchers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krylian View Post
    I would've guessed a shorter spring training would have a greater impact on pitchers.
    no its the reverse, historically pitcher numbers are better in the early going, decline from then on
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysblue View Post
    I would have said earlier, maybe a shorter spring training might have contributed to the downturn in offensive numbers, though that would have been maybe for the first two or three weeks of the season.
    Nah I looked into it. It's obvious the ball is dead and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedLogic View Post
    Nah I looked into it. It's obvious the ball is dead and nothing else.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/co...e_league_as_a/

    Watch for numbers to rebound in warmer weather. Id say the temperature impacts the ball more than they say, causing the dead ball effect at the moment
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    Quote Originally Posted by LetTheBallFly View Post
    Watch for numbers to rebound in warmer weather. Id say the temperature impacts the ball more than they say, causing the dead ball effect at the moment
    If you read the post you quoted, I compared numbers only to this same time period last year. It's a nearly 30K plate appearance sample across the league. Averages and K/BB rates are practically identical to last year, power is way down. Has nothing to do with the weather unless April 2021 was somehow warmer than April 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedLogic View Post
    If you read the post you quoted, I compared numbers only to this same time period last year. It's a nearly 30K plate appearance sample across the league. Averages and K/BB rates are practically identical to last year, power is way down. Has nothing to do with the weather unless April 2021 was somehow warmer than April 2022.
    1. They used this ball part of last year...so that makes sense potentially
    2. It was colder longer and across the board this year
    3. Have you filtered each year to see the difference between warmer weather and colder
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedLogic View Post
    If you read the post you quoted, I compared numbers only to this same time period last year. It's a nearly 30K plate appearance sample across the league. Averages and K/BB rates are practically identical to last year, power is way down. Has nothing to do with the weather unless April 2021 was somehow warmer than April 2022.
    I don't know about everywhere, but last spring was much colder than this spring in my neck of the woods.
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    Itís embarrassing for MLB that they canít even get a baseball that everyone agrees upon.

    Never hear anything about the pucks in hockey or the footballs in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColdPint View Post
    It’s embarrassing for MLB that they can’t even get a baseball that everyone agrees upon.

    Never hear anything about the pucks in hockey or the footballs in the NFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColdPint View Post
    It’s embarrassing for MLB that they can’t even get a baseball that everyone agrees upon.

    Never hear anything about the pucks in hockey or the footballs in the NFL.
    "never hear anything about footballs in the NFL"

    are you 3 years old?
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    Did Manfred deaden the balls so that teams would stop promoting the three true outcomes and start changing their approach to hitting to a more viewer friendly approach? I'm not sure what the end game is here.

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