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    Groshans to Miami for Pop and Bass


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    This isnít swing and miss Atkins.

    I feel Groshans is nothing but seems in terms of pure prospect ranking this is an overpay. Guess prices were rough

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    Here is the analysis:

    Bass has been elite this year, is throwing his slider more than ever, and has a cheap option for 2023. He has actually been better than Jorge Lopez believe it or not.

    Pop throws 96-99 mph sinkers and it okay right now. Controllable for 15 more years. Has a good stuff rating on a seldom used slider - potential for more?

    Groshans sucks, Jays clearly don't think he will regain top prospect status or value

    The PTBNL is interesting...
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    Did anyone else just realize in the last 10 minutes that Bass doesn't suck this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonn View Post
    This isn’t swing and miss Atkins.

    I feel Groshans is nothing but seems in terms of pure prospect ranking this is an overpay. Guess prices were rough
    Why would MLB teams give a shit about "pure prospect ranking"? They don't at all. They have their own constantly evolving preference lists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonn View Post
    This isn’t swing and miss Atkins.

    I feel Groshans is nothing but seems in terms of pure prospect ranking this is an overpay. Guess prices were rough
    These relievers are the kinds of guys you could have gotten in the offseason for free without costing prospects. They are selling low on Groshans. I think everyone and their mother knew the BP was weak to start the season with a bunch of project players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTS View Post
    Did anyone else just realize in the last 10 minutes that Bass doesn't suck this year?
    Yep. He was basically vetrin presents when he was with us last time but he looks better now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xposbrad View Post
    These relievers are the kinds of guys you could have gotten in the offseason for free without costing prospects. They are selling low on Groshans. I think everyone and their mother knew the BP was weak to start the season with a bunch of project players.
    Yes but you don't have a crystal ball

    Did anyone in the offseason want Toronto to sign Anthony Bass, or trade for Jorge Lopez?

    When you wait to the deadline at least you have some comfort that the player you bring in has their shit figured out this MLB season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTS View Post
    Did anyone else just realize in the last 10 minutes that Bass doesn't suck this year?
    The initial reaction to the trade was hating it simply because of how long we have valued Groshans while we already saw Bass before. Things have obviously flipped from that time but we'll see how effective he is for us.

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    So what is Bass' contract situation? He has an option for next year? What is it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    So what is Bass' contract situation? He has an option for next year? What is it ?
    Just $3M

    $3M Team Option, $1M Buyout option value may increase by up to $750k based on games finished in 2022
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    Quote Originally Posted by xposbrad View Post
    These relievers are the kinds of guys you could have gotten in the offseason for free without costing prospects. They are selling low on Groshans. I think everyone and their mother knew the BP was weak to start the season with a bunch of project players.
    Pop has legit stuff and Bass has been MLB's 7th most valuable reliever by FWAR this season. Their value in the offseason is irrelevant when it comes time to upgrade a roster at the trade deadline. Groshans has produced an 82 WRC+ in AAA this season, he obviously has very little trade value at this point and this wasn't likely to improve moving forward, might as well cash in an extra piece for a massive overall upgrade to the pen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    So what is Bass' contract situation? He has an option for next year? What is it ?
    3M team option next year with 1M buyout

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    Yep. He was basically vetrin presents when he was with us last time but he looks better now.
    I recall Bass was a very effective reliever for the club in 2020 during the covid shortened season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laika View Post
    Just $3M

    $3M Team Option, $1M Buyout option value may increase by up to $750k based on games finished in 2022
    He's only finished 7 games, so no chance that gets triggered.

    What a stupid escalator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTS View Post
    He's only finished 7 games, so no chance that gets triggered.

    What a stupid escalator.
    Yeah they can't use performance escalators so "games finished" is a workaround for "if he's the closer long enough"
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