General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[harvey16]

It's a huge blessing that Texas and Seattle play each other 7 times over their last 18 games. Jays basically need to 10 of thier last 18 to make the playoffs. Need to hopefully split the series against Texas and we are gonna b e in good shape. Take 2 of 3 from Boston and play .500 ball against Yankees and Rays should get us in.

[hanton]

Imagine comparing Manoah to Stroman.

unfucking believable man

[hanton]

Here's some more

https://stoeten.substack.com/p/manoa...and-its-really

[burlingtonbandit]

Why so few I wonder? Strange. This is a good team but its been a tough, pretty unexciting watch most of the season. I think I'm 2-6 in person there this year.

Which is why I won't make the trip there I was planning for tomorrow.

Sepetember during the week is always one of the worst attended/lowest demand games. Once school is back, people don't want to make the trek to the dome on school nights. Tonight will get more of a bump because of loonie dog night but wednesday won't be any better. If they were playing a team other than Texas it would be even worse, not sure they would even get 20K.

[Spanky99]

I know. I will. Its all been business stuff in box and a couple games with bro/Hudson and local bud who has 4 season seats in TD clubhouse we mooch off hosted by him.

I can't just invite other people to them as much as Id like to lol.

You know I'd find a seat beside you, bro. Next time, as for the Biz, I get it.

[Spanky99]

Here's some more

https://stoeten.substack.com/p/manoa...and-its-really

Yeah, fuck him then.

[BigCecil]

You sometimes wonder how much the lack of big moments and the mediocre performance in big moments will affect attendance of this winning cycle compared to 2015 to 2016.

In 2015 in the September series against the Yankees it was unbelievable. "Russell! Russel! Russel!". Even the game they lost I believe Dioner hit a dramatic game tying homerun. Stroman out there like a boss. Then the 2015 playoff series. The 2016 wild card games. 2016 Game 3 Division Series, with all the drama around Odor vs Bautista, and Odor makes a bad throw and Donaldson the alpha scores from second.

In 2021 big series against the Yankees in September and they lose 2/3 and miss the playoffs. Cy Young candidate Ray gives up bombs when we need him. 2022 Wild card, enough said.

Then this years Canada Day series. Getting swept by the Red Sox on biggest weekend of the summer? I was at the 3rd game and it was a low energy mausoleum even though it was a close game.

There is just sometimes 0 faith that this team can win a big game or a big series. I turned it off when Kiemaier got caught at home. Seemed it was the game and the series right there. I can't believe I am saying this but I don't even know how much of the next 3 games I'm going to watch. 0 faith in this team compared to 2015/16. Anything can happen but always seems this team disappoints in the big moments and the fans are sort of conceding that now.

I just find this team meh. I attended lots of gms in dark times from Calgary 1994-2014 and 2017-19 in various cities. I enjoyed them as much if not more than this year.

Its obviously related to expectations...but also team make up, style of play and performance.

They are 8th in attendance right now in MLB. Maybe tonight its packed again.

[Spanky99]

I just find this team meh. I attended lots of gms in dark times from Calgary 1994-2014 and 2017-19. I enjoyed them as much if not more than this year.

Its obviously related to expectations...but also team make up, style of play and performance.

They are 8th in attendance right now in MLB. Maybe tonight its packed again.

Hot dog night, it'll be packed. lol

[BigCecil]

Here's some more

https://stoeten.substack.com/p/manoa...and-its-really

I listened to B & B and Wagner. Doesn't sound good. I'm not that surprised. Some dust has to settle on this and Manoah has some explaining to do.

At the end of the day, if he doesn't fucking pitch better again its all just useless drama and irrelevant.

He will be talked about like Jays fans do about Ricky Romero, only with disdain.

[DigitalRock]

Manoah sounds like an immature arrogant moron. No thanks.

[wilko]

I listened to B & B and Wagner. Doesn't sound good. I'm not that surprised. Some dust has to settle on this and Manoah has some explaining to do.

At the end of the day, if he doesn't fucking pitch better again its all just useless drama and irrelevant.

He will be talked about like Jays fans do about Ricky Romero, only with disdain.

At least with Romero he had legit health issues. Manoah just got fat(er)... didn't train and acted like a baby when he sucked.

[Benito]

Manoah sounds like an immature arrogant moron. No thanks.

Immature, entitled, selfish, high maintenance, lazy (weight)... all apparent character flaws as an outside observer. We can only hope, some one, some how, gets to him in the off-season and he works to improve and correct in those areas. But I don't think he will. Unfortunately. He seems the type of person that doubles down when criticized, rather than self reflect.

[Captain_Obvious]

I listened to B & B and Wagner. Doesn't sound good. I'm not that surprised. Some dust has to settle on this and Manoah has some explaining to do.

At the end of the day, if he doesn't fucking pitch better again its all just useless drama and irrelevant.

He will be talked about like Jays fans do about Ricky Romero, only with disdain.

Wait.. we hate Ricky Romero? I was only disappointed that he crashed and burned very quickly after being successful. I never thought he was an asshole.

I actually loathe Manoah for being a giant douche incapable of recognizing how much he stinks now. He actually thinks figuring it out at the major league level while costing the team more wins than he already has is acceptable. The fact he is willing to destroy the experience of not only his teammates, but the millions of fans hungry for the team to make the playoffs for his own selfish gains is the peak of douchebaggery. Fuck him. I hope he never pitches again at the major league level.

[L54]

Trade Manoah for an infielder

[keggy]

This is a releasable offense. What are Davis Schneider, Horowitz, and other young players at AAA going to learn from this? How much clubhouse tension will there be between the goofs like Manoah and the professionals like Bichette and Varsho? Do you think this will encourage Kirk and Guerrero to work on their conditioning?

Shapiro, Atkins, and Schneider need to take a look in the mirror and take control of the organizational culture they have created. If they need any help, look at the Braves organization and how they discipline Acuna versus how the Jays "discipline" Guerrero. Or better yet, send Buck into the clubhouse for a week.

Manoah is out of control, but Atkins' limp wristed response by covering it up is a much bigger problem than optioning one shitty pitcher.

[mphenhef]

Wait.. we hate Ricky Romero? I was only disappointed that he crashed and burned very quickly after being successful. I never thought he was an asshole.

I actually loathe Manoah for being a giant douche incapable of recognizing how much he stinks now. He actually thinks figuring it out at the major league level while costing the team more wins than he already has is acceptable. The fact he is willing to destroy the experience of not only his teammates, but the millions of fans hungry for the team to make the playoffs for his own selfish gains is the peak of douchebaggery. Fuck him. I hope he never pitches again at the major league level.

I've thought Manoah was a douchebag since day one, but at least he was our douchebag if that makes sense. I hope he figures it out, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he is done. This year had to be humbling even for a huge ego.