General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Jimcanuck]

I wanna just buy out 2 or 3 FA years. He'll still be young enough when it expires. Want no part of thirty-something Vlad, tbh.

[glory]

He's spent the whole winter so far in the DR it seems like

They really should try to get something done right now

I'm fine with a 12 year deal at the right AAV.

He's still only 23, and the bat should age well

For luxury tax purposes, any Vlad extension should begin in 2024 so it doesn't impact 2023 lux tax payroll, so now that his 2023 arb figure is taken care of, maybe they will start the extension talks.

[G-Snarls]

I wanna just buy out 2 or 3 FA years. He'll still be young enough when it expires. Want no part of thirty-something Vlad, tbh.

Shorter deal anyone would want higher AAV

You'd prefer say 6-7 years x35M (about what Correa just got) over say 12 years x 28-30M?

[Jays24]

He's spent the whole winter so far in the DR it seems like

They really should try to get something done right now

I'm fine with a 12 year deal at the right AAV.

He's still only 23, and the bat should age well

Are you sure his body will age well? I don't trust fatties.

I've said it before but any Vlad extension needs to be structured similarly to Zion Williamson's in the NBA where he must be under a particular weight number or else the contract can be voided.

[The_DH]

The worse sign is that his father didn't age that well and he was in better shape.

[Jimcanuck]

Shorter deal anyone would want higher AAV

You'd prefer say 6-7 years x35M (about what Correa just got) over say 12 years x 28-30M?

Combination of ARB and FA years will lessen the AAV. Don't pay much attention to arb awards but offhand $35M AAV seems high in this scenario.

[Terminator]

He's just so damn young I'm not terribly concerned about a 10 or even 12 year extension for him as long as they AAV is around 25 mil or less. That would be through his age 33-35 seasons. Even if he's a 1.5 to 2 WAR player by the time he's 33 a deal like that won't kill us.

[glory]

He's just so damn young I'm not terribly concerned about a 10 or even 12 year extension for him as long as they AAV is around 25 mil or less. That would be through his age 33-35 seasons. Even if he's a 1.5 to 2 WAR player by the time he's 33 a deal like that won't kill us.

I think I'd be fine with a 11-12 year deal for Vlad, even acknowledging the weight issues and possibility for some dead money towards the end. He had a 132 wRC+ at age 23 in a down year. We all know what the ceiling is. Seems like a worthwhile gamble to take. Maybe a 11/285.5m extension would work. Once you add his 2023 arb figure it comes out to 12/300, so it's a round enough number for Vlad, and it's $25-26m AAV from 25-35, so it wouldn't be like Pujols or Cabrera where you're running him out there in his late-30's/40's. I'm guessing he would sign a deal like that. Whether the Jays would offer it, I have no idea, but that's probably what it takes to get it done.

[Terminator]

So the fences are coming in?

[L54]

Launching pad!

[Stangstag]

Vlad can't even must a "best shape of his life" quote this time around so you know we was fat and lazy this offseason.

Probably felt like he came into last season in great shape and didn’t hit like he wanted to… and the lesson he took away was don’t bother trying to stay fit

[John_Havok]

So the fences are coming in?

Well if Kiemaier, Romano and Kiermaier said it, it must be true.

[Stangstag]

Are you sure his body will age well? I don't trust fatties.

I've said it before but any Vlad extension needs to be structured similarly to Zion Williamson's in the NBA where he must be under a particular weight number or else the contract can be voided.

Yeah that’s never going to happen. A weight clause? Get real

[Stangstag]

So the fences are coming in?

Corners seems deeper, power alleys slightly shorter, CF a bit deeper, fences 5 ft higher all around. I suppose we’ll have the final dimensions sometime in March?

[Terminator]

Corners seems deeper, power alleys slightly shorter, CF a bit deeper, fences 5 ft higher all around. I suppose we’ll have the final dimensions sometime in March?

That's what it seems like to me to but that doesn't really jive with "bringing the fences in" does it?

[Stangstag]

That's what it seems like to me to but that doesn't really jive with "bringing the fences in" does it?

Yeah idk either seems odd. We just saw the pics from a few days ago with Shi’s descriptions