Who are you giving $300M+ to assuming you can only choose one?
Who are you giving $300M+ to assuming you can only choose one?
Originally Posted by tercet
BoBi
laughing at the Tercet quote... according to him Gurrbabip and Teoscar (the mirage) were suppose to suck to.
Like why is this even a question. 2 roughly .845 OPS guys but one can play passable infield defence,
Bo is beating Vlad about 15-10 in fWAR career while playing 100 less games. fWar per 162 it's like 5.5 to 2.8
Bo twice is good according to fangraphs, crazy, because even with Vlad's under-performance it doesn't seem like it should be that way.
I guess it works out that way because they are actually the same as a hitter and baserunning and defence Bo is like +5 a year, and Vlad -20.
If we don't win this year we'll win next year, if we don't win next year we'll win the year after that.
Bo without question.
Bo.
His work ethic and dedication to be the best won't be topped. I don't think he'll ever get complacent.
His sprint speed dropping by the year is a bit concerning, and I still think he should be at 2B, but not like any huge prospects for SS are knocking at the door.
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Is this even a debate any more?
Bo going to lead the league in hitting 3 years in a row and still getting better. Vlad is good but not even close to what I thought he would be.
Vlad doesn't even hit tanks anymore. He has less dingers than certain platoon players, catchers, and 44 year old Andy McCutcheen.
It's kind of embarrassing.
Keep hitting the ball directly at the biggest part of the ballpark you fucking idiot. Then get thrown out at 2nd as often as you can!
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Horses Fart (05-30-2023)
I'm positive that Vlad is going to have an absolutely monster 2025 season to make this topic more of a discussion, but as of now it's kind of one sided. Bichette's on pace for another 4.5-5.5 WAR season, his third in a row, and his expected numbers don't show that to be a mirage. Not sure I'd trust someone with a 5 BB% over a 10-12 year deal, but that's going to be the cost of doing business with either of these two players. I trust Vlad's offensive profile a lot more over a long term but that also comes with bad base running, a less important defensive position, and weight issues.
Recency bias rampant. Vlad in '21 people were musing putting a "4" as the first number.
Bo for most of '22 was a 100 wRC+ league avg bat and is still a bottom 1/3 SS in '23. What will people say if the reverse happens this yr and his 2nd half blows? Dont get me wrong. Bat to ball skills elite. Ability to inside out the ball. Hit to all fields. Power. Its pretty cool.
Neither are going to sign any deal without testing the FA market without an overpay, which I would oppose. These are both rich kids set for life regardless and they want to know what the market will pay.
If they were into a long term deal it needs to reflect the value reality and risk sharing - the Franco/Riley ish deals make sense to me.
No matter how you stretch out the term to lower AAV and NPV of the funds, it still affect future flexibility and decisions.
To me, Vlad is an elite talent. Bat speed. Stunning EVs. Youth. But he has had one elite year with an * beside it. Yandy Diaz is out producing the shit out of him for $8M. Vlad has been hyped so much. Think about MLB putting him in the All Star game in the home run contest with no track record. His career WAR is not that interesting.
My prediction is they both sign elsewhere or are elsewhere before 2026. Just sayin'
The org is not now, and will not be in the future, ruthless enough to let both of these guys walk. It would be a marketing disaster. Thanks to Shatkins, there is no one in the pipeline to replace them on the bobblehead roster, with the possible exception of RT. If someone is going to overpay - and someone will - it will be the BJs.
Bo. Cause he's in good shape. Get rid of the fatties.
I don't think it's a recency thing. Since they entered the league, Bo has a 130 wRC+ and Vlad has a 133 wRC+.
So they are equal offensive talents according to the 2300 and 2000 PA of data we have since they debuted. Bo is a year older but Vlad quite obviously bleeds value at every aspect of baseball that is not hitting, so I don't even think the discussion is particularly close.
And then if you want to focus on the "shape" of their careers...
2019 = BO for hitting and value
2020 = BO for hitting and value
2021 = VLAD for hitting and value
2022 = VLAD for hitting (by a hair) but BO for value by a significant amount
2023 = BO for hitting and value
So Bo the better player consistently... with Vlad's 2021 the only exception
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I'd have to say Bo. This season he's been a beast and his work shows for it. Vladdy can go hit worm burners with the Yanks.
I don't think his Knee has been 100% healthy, even to start the season. Because yeah he just doesn't seem to crush any balls anymore
Don't even need to look to know who that one vote is lol
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